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I spent a good percentage of 20 plus years teaching RW studs of all three services ab initio and operational flying - it is hard to tell from the lad's post what his character is really like - a bit of youthful bravado perhaps to cover up a real fear of failure. But a couple of words - in this day and age if you join the military be prepared to fight. In my experience those with overt bravado generally were covering up a weakness and some of the bravest I have seen were some of the quietest.
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wokka meister , youre a pr@t , it's NCA like you that the branch has tried to get rid, of in the last few years. All I can think is that you're a very young inexperienced little boy who didn't listen to some of the older and bolder at NCAITC 55 sqn 60 Sqn or the OCF. Grow up get a life and stop baiting others. If you cant say anything constructive then shut the **** up. If I ever have the displeasure of flying with you I'll teach you how a real LM, that wears the proper brevet, respects all those around him/her.[pass the fire axe please]
Mate . If you wanna fly in the military go for!! , curb the attitude a bit , scaring yourself and others wont earn you respect , be loyal open honest and respectful of others will. Good luck and don't let the buggers put you off. Good luck.
Mate . If you wanna fly in the military go for!! , curb the attitude a bit , scaring yourself and others wont earn you respect , be loyal open honest and respectful of others will. Good luck and don't let the buggers put you off. Good luck.
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This is not an argument about which one of the services is the "best"...you all do a great job and wouldnt really work without each other!
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Bit shocked at your venom Rude. Especially as we have actually worked together for several years.
Whilst you are up at Cranditz with your head in the PTC bucket, I am doing tour after tour in the sandpit.
We need an unstable pilot with no military ethos like we need a box for an elephant.
Don't forget where you came from, and that things have changed since you left.
Now dry your eyes, think about falling out your bunk on the O Boat and we'll have a drink at the next crewmans dinner.
PS: put the fire axe down, I offered you the chance on the quarterdeck and you found somewhere else you had to be!
Whilst you are up at Cranditz with your head in the PTC bucket, I am doing tour after tour in the sandpit.
We need an unstable pilot with no military ethos like we need a box for an elephant.
Don't forget where you came from, and that things have changed since you left.
Now dry your eyes, think about falling out your bunk on the O Boat and we'll have a drink at the next crewmans dinner.
PS: put the fire axe down, I offered you the chance on the quarterdeck and you found somewhere else you had to be!
Tegwin,
There's nothing wrong at all with not wanting to fight for your country - I hope none of us actually 'wants' to. However, if you're going to join us then you ultimately have to be prepared to do so. That may involve killing people and having people trying to kill you.
Yes, the life and the flying can be great fun - but they both come with a committment that has a very good chance of being called upon.
If you can accept that - go for it.
There's nothing wrong at all with not wanting to fight for your country - I hope none of us actually 'wants' to. However, if you're going to join us then you ultimately have to be prepared to do so. That may involve killing people and having people trying to kill you.
Yes, the life and the flying can be great fun - but they both come with a committment that has a very good chance of being called upon.
If you can accept that - go for it.
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WM, How many people join the military with military ethos, or for that matter know what it is these days. In the current climate I thought Mil ethos was taught and developed after one joined and if it was not instillable or not accepted the individual was removed from training or left the service.
I don't ever remember being told I didn't have enough Mil ethos when I joined, and in fact I don't remember ever being described as a stable/unstable pilot before I had any mil flying training.
It is clear that you have flown with some pilots who may not have paid you the respect you feel you are due or some pilots who are not Yeager, and that is unfortunate. But we should remember that on page one is a guy who asked about military aviation and not about your opinion of him and his attitude.
I find it hard to believe, given some of your comments of late, that you didn't say some things that might not have been wise when you were 18/19. Lets leave the psych assessments to the recruiters mate.
TEGWIN, have a lash mate, at least then you can say you had a go. If you are worried about the attitudes here then take a trip down under, plenty of mil flying training available. If you get chopped you can PM Wokkameister and tell him he was right, if not you'll be...
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....too busy sh@gging girls half [your] age to waste time posting with the losers on here. Give it a go
I don't ever remember being told I didn't have enough Mil ethos when I joined, and in fact I don't remember ever being described as a stable/unstable pilot before I had any mil flying training.
It is clear that you have flown with some pilots who may not have paid you the respect you feel you are due or some pilots who are not Yeager, and that is unfortunate. But we should remember that on page one is a guy who asked about military aviation and not about your opinion of him and his attitude.
I find it hard to believe, given some of your comments of late, that you didn't say some things that might not have been wise when you were 18/19. Lets leave the psych assessments to the recruiters mate.
TEGWIN, have a lash mate, at least then you can say you had a go. If you are worried about the attitudes here then take a trip down under, plenty of mil flying training available. If you get chopped you can PM Wokkameister and tell him he was right, if not you'll be...
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....too busy sh@gging girls half [your] age to waste time posting with the losers on here. Give it a go
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You're right - that's really a "spec. aircrew only" perk. 
(Do they still have spec aircrew and if not, is this why)?
(Do they still have spec aircrew and if not, is this why)?
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Tightlywound,
Some fair points and put in a very eloquent style. It wasn't just the attitude to military life that made me add my twopenneth, but also the fact that 'he enjoys scaring himself'.
Having had the joys of teaching at DHFS, I can tell you that some people with this attitude do sneak through and cause prematurely graying amongst many.
As for not getting the respect I may deserve, that bothers me not a jot. You give what you get, but an honest answer is worth far more than false hope. I'd expect one from you!
Some fair points and put in a very eloquent style. It wasn't just the attitude to military life that made me add my twopenneth, but also the fact that 'he enjoys scaring himself'.
Having had the joys of teaching at DHFS, I can tell you that some people with this attitude do sneak through and cause prematurely graying amongst many.
As for not getting the respect I may deserve, that bothers me not a jot. You give what you get, but an honest answer is worth far more than false hope. I'd expect one from you!
Tegwin, if you want to get properly involved in the battlefield then join the AAC and go for Apache - everything else is just glorified truck driving. You can get shot at on SH but at least with an AH64 you can give as good as you get - pilots don't even get to fire the weapons on SH!
Strange how the FAA only like the RM BAS now they own and man it - they used to look down their noses at NCO pilots and then had to swallow their pride and commission them all.
Join the RN if you want shagged out Sea King SH or Merlin ASW (without a torpedo to fire).
Join the RAF if you want a lot of time abroad moving bergens and pax or if you think you have the skills and nerve to be a SAR god
Strange how the FAA only like the RM BAS now they own and man it - they used to look down their noses at NCO pilots and then had to swallow their pride and commission them all.
Join the RN if you want shagged out Sea King SH or Merlin ASW (without a torpedo to fire).
Join the RAF if you want a lot of time abroad moving bergens and pax or if you think you have the skills and nerve to be a SAR god
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Wokka meister--
Qoute -Whilst you are up at Cranditz with your head in the PTC bucket, I am doing tour after tour in the sandpit.
We need an unstable pilot with no military ethos like we need a box for an elephant.
Don't forget where you came from, and that things have changed since you left.
Up at Cranditz with my head in a bucket I've learnt that the moulding and development of young men and women is a skill , obviously from your short time at instructing, at that oh so wonderfull DHFS Sqn ,they taught you little about honing that desire to fly.
I agree with you totally!! you have enough egotistical idiots flying the best helicopter Ive operated on. Oh boy I hear about them daily.However unlike you I decided that after 18 yrs front line service , ground and air! it was time to pass my experiences onto these young thrusters who wish to join our merry throng. (and take a well earned break with my kid)
It wasnt venom it was how I felt , theres only four people who decides if this young chap has it or not , DIOR, OACTU, 55 then OCF, by the time its got to your end it SHOULD be sorted. I have never forgot where I came from and what I was like , thats why EVERYONE deserves the right chnce to prove themsilves.
I know its rich coming from me, but give the kid a chance , all he might need is development and eductaion, let those well before you do there job and then if he cant make it on the SQN you do yours. I KNOW you do it well.
For the record , the bunk story always goes down a storm and on the quarter deck , I was afraid to chip any more of your teeth!! Now go throw another shrimp on the barbey , or shake the sand out yer socks. Or do what hooch and I are doing , get a job in civvy street and kiss the ****ty life goodbye matey!!
BY the way I can get you a box for that elephant..... if you so wish .
Any way your elephants have enough problems from the mister masters you have to put up with ,
Must go , have a poorly leg that needs attention
take care big fella , keep yer head down and ill try get down sometime , if you fancy a break from the sand and want a week away gis us a shout
Qoute -Whilst you are up at Cranditz with your head in the PTC bucket, I am doing tour after tour in the sandpit.
We need an unstable pilot with no military ethos like we need a box for an elephant.
Don't forget where you came from, and that things have changed since you left.
Up at Cranditz with my head in a bucket I've learnt that the moulding and development of young men and women is a skill , obviously from your short time at instructing, at that oh so wonderfull DHFS Sqn ,they taught you little about honing that desire to fly.
I agree with you totally!! you have enough egotistical idiots flying the best helicopter Ive operated on. Oh boy I hear about them daily.However unlike you I decided that after 18 yrs front line service , ground and air! it was time to pass my experiences onto these young thrusters who wish to join our merry throng. (and take a well earned break with my kid)
It wasnt venom it was how I felt , theres only four people who decides if this young chap has it or not , DIOR, OACTU, 55 then OCF, by the time its got to your end it SHOULD be sorted. I have never forgot where I came from and what I was like , thats why EVERYONE deserves the right chnce to prove themsilves.
I know its rich coming from me, but give the kid a chance , all he might need is development and eductaion, let those well before you do there job and then if he cant make it on the SQN you do yours. I KNOW you do it well.
For the record , the bunk story always goes down a storm and on the quarter deck , I was afraid to chip any more of your teeth!! Now go throw another shrimp on the barbey , or shake the sand out yer socks. Or do what hooch and I are doing , get a job in civvy street and kiss the ****ty life goodbye matey!!
BY the way I can get you a box for that elephant..... if you so wish .
Any way your elephants have enough problems from the mister masters you have to put up with ,
Must go , have a poorly leg that needs attention
take care big fella , keep yer head down and ill try get down sometime , if you fancy a break from the sand and want a week away gis us a shout
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Must be Lossie based, the st of us don't dodge the showers, just get the job done. Btw, not your fault your almost as quiet as Wattisham...
In answer to the question, if you wanna be be a rotary pilot, then go go go. !!!!!
In answer to the question, if you wanna be be a rotary pilot, then go go go. !!!!!
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Chears guys for all your replies...even if some are contradicting and rather destrubing
In my origional post I didnt mean that I want to scare the
out of myself intentionally...I like to push my flying skills to their limit to get the best out of the machine and the situation without overspanking anything...the last thing I want is a big black mark in my logbook! Im sure you can all appreciate the learning curve im on...I have got my liscense yes, but does it mean I am a good pilot?...NO
...But practice and some pointers will hopefully make me just that eventually!
Since starting the thread I have re-read all of the leaflets, websites etc and it really does look like an attractive career, not just for the flying, but also for the adventure...I see it as a way to see the "real world" somehow and would use it as a tool to imrpove myself and "grow up a bit".....
Although the RAF is attractive at the end of the day its most likley to be the RN...but im still undecided...
I guess I should try and get hold of my local office and see if I can get an apointment to see someone with some answers...
No doubt what I have just written will be pulled appart and analysed before I am accused of being imature again
Chears guys/girls.
In my origional post I didnt mean that I want to scare the
out of myself intentionally...I like to push my flying skills to their limit to get the best out of the machine and the situation without overspanking anything...the last thing I want is a big black mark in my logbook! Im sure you can all appreciate the learning curve im on...I have got my liscense yes, but does it mean I am a good pilot?...NO...But practice and some pointers will hopefully make me just that eventually!Since starting the thread I have re-read all of the leaflets, websites etc and it really does look like an attractive career, not just for the flying, but also for the adventure...I see it as a way to see the "real world" somehow and would use it as a tool to imrpove myself and "grow up a bit".....
Although the RAF is attractive at the end of the day its most likley to be the RN...but im still undecided...
I guess I should try and get hold of my local office and see if I can get an apointment to see someone with some answers...
No doubt what I have just written will be pulled appart and analysed before I am accused of being imature again
Chears guys/girls.
Tegwin - no, you are doing exactly the right thing ie getting as much info as possible before you make your decision. A word of warning however, the careers offices (or whatever we are calling them nowadays) have always tried to recruit into the areas where manning is short and so they may push you towards what they want rather than what is best for you.
As for the RN, well that's up to you but look at how many of their pilots transfer to the RAF, leave early for the airlines or get on QHI courses to get away from going to sea.
I would suggest trying to visit some flying stations (just a letter to the CO usually gets you in) to see first hand what goes on and talk to the guys doing the jobs.
As for the RN, well that's up to you but look at how many of their pilots transfer to the RAF, leave early for the airlines or get on QHI courses to get away from going to sea.
I would suggest trying to visit some flying stations (just a letter to the CO usually gets you in) to see first hand what goes on and talk to the guys doing the jobs.
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I can't comment on Eagles unqualified statement but:
in the RAF you will always get more aircrew together on a unit. In the RN you may be more likely to serve on an isolated flight were aircrew are a minority. As for AAC no idea.
in the RAF you will always get more aircrew together on a unit. In the RN you may be more likely to serve on an isolated flight were aircrew are a minority. As for AAC no idea.
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Right bait eh! Unqualified I don't think so - Navy pilot, flown three tours including RSVN with Air force and US Army - flew with RN - QHI course at Ternhill (took out the Westland prize) - civvy instructor with army - many multi service exercises - saw how the others lived. Qualified to comment but a bit of a windup anyway.
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Right bait eh! Unqualified I don't think so - Navy pilot, flown three tours including RSVN with Air force and US Army - flew with RN - QHI course at Ternhill (took out the Westland prize) - civvy instructor with army - many multi service exercises - saw how the others lived. Qualified to comment but a bit of a windup anyway.
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Eagle, you bit, sorry you picked up on the wrong meaning of unqualified.
I meant your statement was unqualified not that you were unqualified. I did check your profile first.
I meant your statement was unqualified not that you were unqualified. I did check your profile first.