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Simulated flapless?
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yes, like speechless and simulated speechless.
Just 'simulating' the condition that would make event real.
A simulated engine failure on take-off is another instance.
Just 'simulating' the condition that would make event real.
A simulated engine failure on take-off is another instance.
So you simulate an engine fire, gen failure etc, but you practice a single engine approach/flapless/EFATO etc.
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Elmlea, I agree, it is a moot point. Maybe BEagle will chip in but I seem to remember the DEFATO was simulated as the 'dead' engines were left thrusting albeit at idle.
simulated flapless = (actual) flapless = a question of choice
simulated flapless = (actual) flapless = a question of choice
Ignoring the thread creep 
the IP in the back was the one and only...I guess we can't mention names can we? I was an IP at TTTE at the time of the incident. Claimed he 'knew' that he hadn't been given clearance and was just seeing how far the student would go before he took control. If that was the case, then I would suggest that he took control a little late and not fully in control if you look at the change in alpha as the jet starts the overshoot. Tok him by surprise too methinks.
Just bloody good luck that the Command Flight Safety Team were there videoing the F3 formation...
the IP in the back was the one and only...I guess we can't mention names can we? I was an IP at TTTE at the time of the incident. Claimed he 'knew' that he hadn't been given clearance and was just seeing how far the student would go before he took control. If that was the case, then I would suggest that he took control a little late and not fully in control if you look at the change in alpha as the jet starts the overshoot. Tok him by surprise too methinks.Just bloody good luck that the Command Flight Safety Team were there videoing the F3 formation...
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Crew in the F3 was a 29 Sqn crew (OCA and OCB Flt at the time) and the GR was completing a practise single-engine approach. They had been told to overshoot high with one on for departure. Overshoot was a little late using the one 'simulated' good engine, with the second at idle, and the height was obviously much lower than intended. The guys in the F3 hadn't realised quite how close they had been to the tail of their aircraft 
so ended up subsequently taking off and continuing the sortie - they were a little more than shocked when the FS team showed them the video later that day. A few sh***y phonecalls waiting for the GR crew on their return home.
so ended up subsequently taking off and continuing the sortie - they were a little more than shocked when the FS team showed them the video later that day. A few sh***y phonecalls waiting for the GR crew on their return home.
Simulated engine failure - engine brought to idle power (or turboprop to zero thrust)
Practice engine failure - serviceable engine shut down in flight.
Practice abnormal configuration approach or practice forced landing - operating the aircraft as though the appropriate system had actually failed.
Practice engine failure - serviceable engine shut down in flight.
Practice abnormal configuration approach or practice forced landing - operating the aircraft as though the appropriate system had actually failed.
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Just to put the facts straight on this one,
I've no idea who was in the jet on the runway (Coningsby) although i believe OC Ops was involved.
The filming was for the local TV, think it was BBC East Midlands, and totally accidental in terms of filming the Cottesmore jet.
The overshooting jet was a clean GR1 from Cottesmore flown in the front by a German pilot-who was not very good. The IP (intructor pilot), was not a QFI, as Cottesmore had various nationalities teaching and a simple C to I (competant to instruct) certificate was all that was required. I'm not sure what all OCUs do but the ones I've been on ONLY use QFIs for the early sorties for obvious reasons.
The aircraft was practising a Mech Mode approach, on an early sortie, using a degraded mode of the "fly by wire" system. The low overshoot was simply a mistake by the handling pilot and a case of taking over TOO late by the IP. Something that most, if not all, Tucano QFIs will have fallen foul of at some time in the past. Because the aircraft was in Mech Mode, on overshoot, the "hasty" application of full power and up elevator caused an excessive nose rotation which you can see on the film. Not dangerous in itself as long as the aircraft is light and has full power selected but does look quite exciting!
The IP learnt a useful lesson that day!
I've no idea who was in the jet on the runway (Coningsby) although i believe OC Ops was involved.
The filming was for the local TV, think it was BBC East Midlands, and totally accidental in terms of filming the Cottesmore jet.
The overshooting jet was a clean GR1 from Cottesmore flown in the front by a German pilot-who was not very good. The IP (intructor pilot), was not a QFI, as Cottesmore had various nationalities teaching and a simple C to I (competant to instruct) certificate was all that was required. I'm not sure what all OCUs do but the ones I've been on ONLY use QFIs for the early sorties for obvious reasons.
The aircraft was practising a Mech Mode approach, on an early sortie, using a degraded mode of the "fly by wire" system. The low overshoot was simply a mistake by the handling pilot and a case of taking over TOO late by the IP. Something that most, if not all, Tucano QFIs will have fallen foul of at some time in the past. Because the aircraft was in Mech Mode, on overshoot, the "hasty" application of full power and up elevator caused an excessive nose rotation which you can see on the film. Not dangerous in itself as long as the aircraft is light and has full power selected but does look quite exciting!
The IP learnt a useful lesson that day!
We would all have to learn Tornado speek.
