Are the BBC aviators?
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Are the BBC aviators?
A few weeks ago, I made an off the cuff remark about the BBC. Upon returning from det, I had a 200 word diatrabe in my inbox spouting how important the BBC is from one of it's employees.
This morning, when I mentioned the fact that the two UK rotary lost had originally been reported as US by the BBC, I again provoked an angry response from the pro-BBC lobby.
I have no particular axe to grind, but it would seem any critisism of the Beeb on here is completely verboten. Maybe we should all find a journos chatroom and move in there?
I know there are journo's on here, such as Jack who share a lot with our community, but this 'BBC Bias' is winding me up. It's bad enough we have to pay a licence tax for the rubbish.
Any one else got a view?
This morning, when I mentioned the fact that the two UK rotary lost had originally been reported as US by the BBC, I again provoked an angry response from the pro-BBC lobby.
I have no particular axe to grind, but it would seem any critisism of the Beeb on here is completely verboten. Maybe we should all find a journos chatroom and move in there?
I know there are journo's on here, such as Jack who share a lot with our community, but this 'BBC Bias' is winding me up. It's bad enough we have to pay a licence tax for the rubbish.
Any one else got a view?
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Its got worse since all this 24 hr news crap started They are so desperate to to get some story they are to quick to report little snippets of information rather than report a story. At least when the news was set at a certain time like 6 9 10 they had time to investigate the story rather than just let out hear say
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Yes, I have. The BBC thinks that producing one or two decent programmes per week gives it both the justification for the iniquitous licence fee and carte blanche to flood the rest of the schedule with purile rubbish. This is typified by misinformed left leaning "news", exorbitant salaries for camp, talentless purveyors of filthy inuendo and a general repudiation that programmes are being dumbed down! As if to confirm all this, the BBC offers the following gems in tonight's line up:
Help! My Dog's as Fat as Me (and probably less smelly, one imagines)
'Allo 'Allo (might have been jocular once, but not 20th time around)
EastEnders ( for a whole hour is cruel and unusual punishment)
Graham Norton Uncut ( how many times can one re-work camp oral sex gags-no pun intended)
YES, I can switch off or over BUT I can't switch off the licence fee (a.k.a. BBC Tax).
Help! My Dog's as Fat as Me (and probably less smelly, one imagines)
'Allo 'Allo (might have been jocular once, but not 20th time around)
EastEnders ( for a whole hour is cruel and unusual punishment)
Graham Norton Uncut ( how many times can one re-work camp oral sex gags-no pun intended)
YES, I can switch off or over BUT I can't switch off the licence fee (a.k.a. BBC Tax).
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I have come to totally dis-trust BBC TV news, It seems that whole stories can be based solely on speculation or guess work. And the fact that a "royal" reporter may be stood outside Clarence house for example, simply doesn't add any weight or truth to a story.
If I want to know the fullest from any story, I listen to BBC radio 4, I find it reports as accurately as possible, and spends a decent amount of time on each item of news (by which I mean world affairs, not celebrity gossip)
On Pprune, we can be a bit over critical sometimes, I.E. if reporting on an MR Nimrod, a pic of an R is shown, then that's understandable (but not accurate in these "google" day's. But to show the wrong aircraft altogether, or a helicopter instead of a fixed wing, or as recently shown, a Soviet aircraft instead of R.A.F. (Oh yes, not forgetting ALL rotary is Army!!).
If I want to know the fullest from any story, I listen to BBC radio 4, I find it reports as accurately as possible, and spends a decent amount of time on each item of news (by which I mean world affairs, not celebrity gossip)
On Pprune, we can be a bit over critical sometimes, I.E. if reporting on an MR Nimrod, a pic of an R is shown, then that's understandable (but not accurate in these "google" day's. But to show the wrong aircraft altogether, or a helicopter instead of a fixed wing, or as recently shown, a Soviet aircraft instead of R.A.F. (Oh yes, not forgetting ALL rotary is Army!!).
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The BBC, like it or not, commands worldwide respect, and has a reputation, again, like it or not, for unbiassed reporting. I've travelled all over the place, and often people tell me that they listen to the BBC to get the facts. I feel a sense of national pride. I don't fly BA anymore, but I used to get a kick out of sitting on a BA 777, and hearing shortly after takeoff "and now, from London, the news from the BBC". It meant something.
However, I agree with the point that the facts of an event should be confirmed, before announcing what turns out to be completely the wrong news. It seems to me that the rush to get a "story" out is more important than the accuracy of that story. If the BBC has a reputation for unbiassed accuracy, then it ought to strive to maintain it.
However, a more disturbing thought for me, is that the change in British society as a whole over the last three decades or so, is being reflected in the BBC. Those of us who serve, or have served, perhaps hold more traditional views than those who are in the media, and thus there will be conflict.
Personally, I would prefer the BBC maintain the same standards as the Times or Telegraph.
However, I agree with the point that the facts of an event should be confirmed, before announcing what turns out to be completely the wrong news. It seems to me that the rush to get a "story" out is more important than the accuracy of that story. If the BBC has a reputation for unbiassed accuracy, then it ought to strive to maintain it.
However, a more disturbing thought for me, is that the change in British society as a whole over the last three decades or so, is being reflected in the BBC. Those of us who serve, or have served, perhaps hold more traditional views than those who are in the media, and thus there will be conflict.
Personally, I would prefer the BBC maintain the same standards as the Times or Telegraph.
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Sadly, I have to agree with the underlying sentiment here. BBC Television is no longer a world class act. It has some very good bits but the majority ain't worth watching. BBC News and documentaries are both particularly poor. I can only comment on the things I know about - but whenever such topics are covered by the News or Panorama or Newsnight they are invariably misrepresented and unbalanced. Therefore, I suspect that when I watch subjects which are not within my knowledge base I'm being fed the same tendentious line.
Come on Beeb journalists defend your lack of balance!
Oh - I would say the Radio 4 crowd seem to do a significantly better job than the televisual team.
Come on Beeb journalists defend your lack of balance!
Oh - I would say the Radio 4 crowd seem to do a significantly better job than the televisual team.
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Have to say was pretty disgusted with Ceefax this morning. Top story some pongo has dumped his bird. Second story 2 UK helicopters collide
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In my view the BBC should be broken up.
BBC TV, which has sunk in quality way below acceptable levels, should be privatised and sold to the highest bidder.
BBC Radio, which is still world class and retains a worthwhile international reputation, should be retained and funded directly. The TV licence fee could then be scrapped.
BBC TV, which has sunk in quality way below acceptable levels, should be privatised and sold to the highest bidder.
BBC Radio, which is still world class and retains a worthwhile international reputation, should be retained and funded directly. The TV licence fee could then be scrapped.
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Valid criticism is fine, but there's a tendency on this forum to lord it over every little mistake as if the whole BBC is incompetent. It's worth remembering that every aspect of BBC News is broadcast and open to immediate and unchecked scrutiny...mistakes will be made of course, but some sense of proportion is required. In my experience mistakes were often made in the RAF (tears/fights/sulks in the debrief anyone?). However the (smaller) errors generally stayed within the confines of the building, rather then get broadcast to the nation.
This morning BBC no doubt reported what the international news agencies in Iraq reported to them...and corrected it when the MOD corrected the story. It was obviously in the MOD's interests not to correct the story before kinform to minimise the period between families learning a UK fatality had occurred and them finding out it is/isn't their loved one.
My sincere condolences to all concerned.
This morning BBC no doubt reported what the international news agencies in Iraq reported to them...and corrected it when the MOD corrected the story. It was obviously in the MOD's interests not to correct the story before kinform to minimise the period between families learning a UK fatality had occurred and them finding out it is/isn't their loved one.
My sincere condolences to all concerned.
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Yes, I have an opinion, and it pretty much mirrors yours.
I am sick to death of being given innacurate cr&p from the BBC. The reporting is poor, it is inaccurate, and I think half of it is just made up. It does nothing but cause unnecessary anxiety to people when stories, such as the Pumas, occurs. I too read it this morning and the BBC clearly stated that it was 2 American helos that had crashed. Shame on you BBC, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Once upon a time the BBC did command respect, but those days have long gone. The BBC is no better (and no worse) than Sky, ITV or anyone else for that matter. Its all rubbish.
Rant over, sorry. Its been a bad week and I'm feeling a bit down at the moment, very sorry. Maybe I'll go and have a large glass of grouse!
Kind regards to all
TSM
Yes, I have an opinion, and it pretty much mirrors yours.
I am sick to death of being given innacurate cr&p from the BBC. The reporting is poor, it is inaccurate, and I think half of it is just made up. It does nothing but cause unnecessary anxiety to people when stories, such as the Pumas, occurs. I too read it this morning and the BBC clearly stated that it was 2 American helos that had crashed. Shame on you BBC, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Roadster280
Once upon a time the BBC did command respect, but those days have long gone. The BBC is no better (and no worse) than Sky, ITV or anyone else for that matter. Its all rubbish.
Rant over, sorry. Its been a bad week and I'm feeling a bit down at the moment, very sorry. Maybe I'll go and have a large glass of grouse!
Kind regards to all
TSM
And just out of interest why does everry BBC 'reporter' now get a "Special Correspondant" title?
And I am utterly fed up of the "opinions" of the special correspondants. Who cares? Just report the facts fer fecks sake, and make sure the facts are in fact, fact.
And I am utterly fed up of the "opinions" of the special correspondants. Who cares? Just report the facts fer fecks sake, and make sure the facts are in fact, fact.
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BBC....you Avin' A Larf!
First of all I would also like to express for sincere condolences for those lost.
With regards to the BBC, ITV and Sky ....can you please just stop trying to sensationalise everything. I too am just so fed up with the speculation of who has done what to whom and maybe when.....I just don't care!
Give me the facts of what has happened. If you don't know at the time the story breaks then tell us so. If you want to wait for further details before breaking an incorrect story then better still. Oh, and try to get somebody who actually knows about the military when you get the 'special correspondant' in for the insight knowledge.
I'd much rather have an accurate report than this incomplete sensationalist borrox that is more about getting the viewing figures at the earliest possible juncture than give a hoot about who the story is likely to offend or most importantly worry!
Ban 24hr news channels is what I say.
SA
With regards to the BBC, ITV and Sky ....can you please just stop trying to sensationalise everything. I too am just so fed up with the speculation of who has done what to whom and maybe when.....I just don't care!
Give me the facts of what has happened. If you don't know at the time the story breaks then tell us so. If you want to wait for further details before breaking an incorrect story then better still. Oh, and try to get somebody who actually knows about the military when you get the 'special correspondant' in for the insight knowledge.
I'd much rather have an accurate report than this incomplete sensationalist borrox that is more about getting the viewing figures at the earliest possible juncture than give a hoot about who the story is likely to offend or most importantly worry!
Ban 24hr news channels is what I say.
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The BBC is paid for by taxes. Taxes = government, government = bunch of Labour spinners who are only interested in looking good and god help anbody / thing which gets in the way. Therefore, IMHO when it comes to news, they will say what their bosses tell them to....
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Its got worse since all this 24 hr news crap started
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The reporter this morning really got my goat with her comment (about a certain current incident in Iraq) the "the next of kin have been informed so we should have names and pictures within 24 hours". So that's all they're interested in is it? Journalism at its incompetantly insensitive "best".
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the BBC should leave the news to the professionals. the BBC excels at sports coverage, costume drameas and light armchair theatre....but news...laughable.... and for goodness sake, what is that strawberry blonde chap called Witchell spouting on about? has he ever met one of the Royal Family? Sack the Buffhoon immediately.
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During recent SAR incident Kinloss RCC called up Nimrod and said MOD [PR] have been on the phone and want to know have you any video / stills of the incident.
Couldnt hear Nimrods response
Couldnt hear Nimrods response
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Don't forget that during Gulf 03, on the Ark Royal the "official" channel - the BBC - was dumped for Sky TV, and it was only on orders from above that the receiver was retuned. We had got so fed up with the biased reporting, the idiot reporter they sent to sea with us (ex CBBC, does a cracking line in foot-stamping, fist-clenching tantrums!), and the final nail in the coffin was after the helo collision when they rolled out a complete village idiot to complain about servicing routines!
The BBC are not renowned for their unbiased reporting, that's a fallacy, you only have to look at some of their stories and how they are slanted. They are unfortunately a world power in broadcasting, but everyone I know goes elsewhere for their news these days...
The BBC are not renowned for their unbiased reporting, that's a fallacy, you only have to look at some of their stories and how they are slanted. They are unfortunately a world power in broadcasting, but everyone I know goes elsewhere for their news these days...
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Haven't had a TV for over 3 years now. Refused to pay for a licence and then be unable to access the programmes I am paying for. Usually watch a bit of sattelite at my Dad's when I visit on a Sunday, and I am totally unimpressed by any of the news channels. It is just the same crud spouted over and over, until the next little snippet comes along. I find I can at least listen to the BBC news, but I find the presenters (jounalists???), on Sky, a bunch of smug gits. One woman presenter in particular, always seems to have a permanent sneer on her face, and they all seem to suffer from slurred speech. There is also the impression that they haven't a clue what they are talking about. Like others have said, I get my news from Radio 4.