Don't want to go where it's hot and sandy
If he wasn't prepared to deploy, he shouldn't have joined. We make it quite clear to any applicants that it is not a case of "if" but "when", and if that makes them unhappy, maybe they should consider St John Ambulance/Scouts/Guides. He must be pretty dim if he didn't see this coming. Why exactly did he think HMG was paying him to do (mainly) enjoyable things?
Not true - once mobilised, eligible for AFPS (but can opt to stay in employer scheme) and has same death in service benefits. It's the ordinary TA service that doesn't get a pension, but it wouldn't be worth much at 28 days' service per year
Bounty is paid at the end of the training year (tax free) so wouldn't have to be repaid on leaving.
He could try taking all his kit in to the QM and say "I resign", deservedly reaping loads of
from all those members of all the Reserve Forces who haven't taken such a lily-livered option, has apparently worked in the past. If he's got the brown envelope, which, if his boss knows about it he probably has, then he's shafted, although he can appeal (but still has to report when stated or expect a visit from RMP). Perhaps I should appeal on his behalf on the grounds that I don't want that kind of t guarding me when I go on my 3rd deployment later this year. (BTW thanks to all the SH crews for the fantastic service they give without complaint)
As they say, if you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined
if he comes to grief come from the AFPS. TA service not being pensionable, the family gets next to sod all.
What about having accepted a bounty?
He could try taking all his kit in to the QM and say "I resign", deservedly reaping loads of
from all those members of all the Reserve Forces who haven't taken such a lily-livered option, has apparently worked in the past. If he's got the brown envelope, which, if his boss knows about it he probably has, then he's shafted, although he can appeal (but still has to report when stated or expect a visit from RMP). Perhaps I should appeal on his behalf on the grounds that I don't want that kind of t guarding me when I go on my 3rd deployment later this year. (BTW thanks to all the SH crews for the fantastic service they give without complaint)As they say, if you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined
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Perhaps I should appeal on his behalf on the grounds that I don't want that kind of t guarding me when I go on my 3rd deployment later this year.
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topgas, thank you for the facts. Now we have to find out just how far up the creek he is.
Mummy's boy? Yup, she does the ironing, pays his bills, fines, credit cards etc etc. She will be relieved not to have to pay his bounty back.
Mummy's boy? Yup, she does the ironing, pays his bills, fines, credit cards etc etc. She will be relieved not to have to pay his bounty back.
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I suggest a period of incarceration that matches the deployment time followed by a dishonourable discharge.
In my day they were supposed to stay in for five years, but we just let 'em go if they didn't want to train, pointless having them around, and a waste of resources.
In my day they were supposed to stay in for five years, but we just let 'em go if they didn't want to train, pointless having them around, and a waste of resources.
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First of all, I have to confess that (in the highly unlikely event) I would discard my own brown envelope in the bin if it meant fighting any of Bliar's wars (note: in my case fighting would perhaps not be the correct term to use, but you know what I mean). That is the root cause of why I PVRd and I am still angry enough to mean exactly what I say. 
Having exposed my own shameful (if principled) lack of volunteering ethos (let's see Euan Blair out in the desert) I can now offer my opinion.
1. As pointed out, the chap should not really have joined, particularly after April 2003! (I joined before Bliar's Mussolini-like tendencies became manifest)
2. He will be a liability and an administrative burden, if not an actual danger to his comrades. He could have the guts to say "I'm not going" and make his reasons known. If his unit had any sense it would discharge him, as the British Armed Forces has a volunteer ethos.
3. Alternatively, he could develop a sudden enthusiasm for the smoking of the cannabis plant, "skinning up" in the drill hall for example.
Having exposed my own shameful (if principled) lack of volunteering ethos (let's see Euan Blair out in the desert) I can now offer my opinion.
1. As pointed out, the chap should not really have joined, particularly after April 2003! (I joined before Bliar's Mussolini-like tendencies became manifest)
2. He will be a liability and an administrative burden, if not an actual danger to his comrades. He could have the guts to say "I'm not going" and make his reasons known. If his unit had any sense it would discharge him, as the British Armed Forces has a volunteer ethos.
3. Alternatively, he could develop a sudden enthusiasm for the smoking of the cannabis plant, "skinning up" in the drill hall for example.
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She will be relieved not to have to pay his bounty back.
As an aside, in this bizarre topsy-turvy world, active service on call-out does not count towards the bounty award.
PN,
your 'aquaintence' has only two real options if he is to avoid service in the sandpits.
the first is to march into his OC's office and declare that he cannot, in all concience, deploy to Iraq and that he is prepared to accept the consequences. with luck his OC will get rid of him within the week on anything that comes to hand - as witnessed by the episode of Tpr Griffin of 22SAS - without luck his OC will push the matter and he could end up in Colchester.
the other option is to pretend to be all warry and go to chilwell as the fattest, most useless lump of illtrained **** the DS have ever seen. they'll probably give him remedial training, but with talent he could keep up the act for long enough to get RTU'd and then discharged.
this is of course assuming his employer can't be convinced to put in the 'special case' for him. i had heard that some 45% of call-ups were binned through employer action. not sure how accurate that figure is, but its been bandied about for a while.
i don't approve, i think he's a disgusting piece of rectal detritus, but if he doesn't want to go then he should be kept well away for the safety of those around him.
your 'aquaintence' has only two real options if he is to avoid service in the sandpits.
the first is to march into his OC's office and declare that he cannot, in all concience, deploy to Iraq and that he is prepared to accept the consequences. with luck his OC will get rid of him within the week on anything that comes to hand - as witnessed by the episode of Tpr Griffin of 22SAS - without luck his OC will push the matter and he could end up in Colchester.
the other option is to pretend to be all warry and go to chilwell as the fattest, most useless lump of illtrained **** the DS have ever seen. they'll probably give him remedial training, but with talent he could keep up the act for long enough to get RTU'd and then discharged.
this is of course assuming his employer can't be convinced to put in the 'special case' for him. i had heard that some 45% of call-ups were binned through employer action. not sure how accurate that figure is, but its been bandied about for a while.
i don't approve, i think he's a disgusting piece of rectal detritus, but if he doesn't want to go then he should be kept well away for the safety of those around him.
There is another way out - strangely enough it was how my visit to Afghanistan was brought forward. On the day of receiving his notice to get ready for OOA, the person nominated for this particular tour "twisted his back" whilst getting out of his car. No coincidence there whatsoever. The SMO signed him off as downgraded and away I went.
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Pontius Navigator;
Now that you have had a day or two to settle down and regain your composure don't you think upon reflection that your rapid fire " thank you Danny " smacks of forelock touching or working class deference. It seemed to me to be at odds with your desperate efforts to project an entirely different image.
James.
Now that you have had a day or two to settle down and regain your composure don't you think upon reflection that your rapid fire " thank you Danny " smacks of forelock touching or working class deference. It seemed to me to be at odds with your desperate efforts to project an entirely different image.
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Oh cr@p, is back !!!!
OK PN, what did you do this time to pi§§ him off ? Furthermore, what wrong with working class...
James, another point to consider is that your last 2 threads got you pilloried by other users prior to being shut down by the mods. What sort of "image" does that project ?
is back !!!! OK PN, what did you do this time to pi§§ him off ? Furthermore, what wrong with working class...
James, another point to consider is that your last 2 threads got you pilloried by other users prior to being shut down by the mods. What sort of "image" does that project ?
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An Teallach, really, I hadn't noticed 
. Ways and means Sir, ways and means.
Cokecan,
He has the shape and strength of a size 5 knitting needle.
Jess,
I do believe
that this would not be sudden.
do tell this ignorant person what this is.
No JL, not you but you are ignorant, definitely ignorable, abd best ignored.
. Ways and means Sir, ways and means.Cokecan,
chilwell as the fattest, most useless lump of illtrained **** the DS have ever seen.
Jess,
I do believe
Alternatively, he could develop a sudden enthusiasm for the smoking of the cannabis plant,
"skinning up" in the drill hall for example.
No JL, not you but you are ignorant, definitely ignorable, abd best ignored.
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AAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH, Can someone please fit a warning bell/alarm to go on every thread that the "course ******" subscribes to, I was reading this thread with interest when I tripped and fell into the pile of drivel spouted by JL.....
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It's truly amazing isn't it? I have seen a few posts by this self-opinionated PC t0$$er and nothing in response that in any way indicates he has any allies or friends. You'd have thought he would have got the message by now but I guess some people are just so thick-skinned that nothing gets through. On the other hand, it could be indicative of latent sado-masochistic tendencies. I hope to God he's not a serving member of HM Forces, but if he is, I'm glad I'm not any more - pity there isn't a t0$$er smiley 
(mind you, you can't see what this little guy's hands are up to can you?).
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c130jbloke;
While typing that wake up call to my comrade Pontius Navigator I almost wrote "the visceral attachment of a dog to his master " ( I rather like that word visceral as it says so much ) but then thought " I had better not write that " so I didn't. Am I learning ?
James.
While typing that wake up call to my comrade Pontius Navigator I almost wrote "the visceral attachment of a dog to his master " ( I rather like that word visceral as it says so much ) but then thought " I had better not write that " so I didn't. Am I learning ?
James.
