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Old 7th Apr 2007, 11:43   #1 (permalink)
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Prince Charles Prang in Isle of Islay - June 1995

I've been searching the web (unsucessfully) for the report of the accident to the BAe 146 of the Royal Flight that Price Charles pranged on the Isle of Islay in June 1995.

If it's available publically online I'd be grateful for a pointer please.

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Old 7th Apr 2007, 12:18   #2 (permalink)
 
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I saw the hard copy of this report a few years ago, am sure it was RESTRICTED so you won't find it on the net. If you have access to the intraweb it might be worth searching The DASC website.
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Old 7th Apr 2007, 16:31   #3 (permalink)
 
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It is indeed Restricted.

The date was 29 June 1994.

'twas said at the time that if HRH had stuck his head out of the window, his large ears might have assisted with the deceleration needed to cope with landing some 30 knots too fast on a short RW.....

Except that, with a 12 knot tailwind, they would have acted more like sails!
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Old 7th Apr 2007, 17:36   #4 (permalink)
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But Charlie didn't prang. 'twas the Captain that pranged.

Anyway, Freedom of Information; you want a copy, write in and ask. Restricted is no bar to your getting a copy.
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Old 8th Apr 2007, 02:43   #5 (permalink)
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And all this time I thought it was Machrihanish, which has a very long runway.
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Old 8th Apr 2007, 10:58   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks to fabs for the advice about the DASC website. A Google search for DASC led me to their site, which in turn led me to the Military Aircraft Accident Summary (MAAS) site. The report headed "Military Aircraft Accident Summary (MAAS), Aircraft Type: RAF BAe 146 CC2 ZE700, Date: 29 June 1994, Location: Islay Airfield" is reputedly on line as the very long URL below indicates:

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/Ab...46Cc2Ze700.htm

However clicking on the link to the accident report pdf results in a "page not found error". Other incident reports listed open normally, so is there still some sensitivity about HRH's accident I wonder?

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Have you tried any other of the links in the MAAS section, NONE appear to work, so it may be nothing to do with Air Chief Marshal The Prince Of Wales, more likely just another software glitch in the MOD.
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Old 8th Apr 2007, 11:20   #8 (permalink)
 
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The exact location on the airfield where he buried the 146 up to its oxters in the putty is still known locally as Holding Point Charlie.
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Old 8th Apr 2007, 11:36   #9 (permalink)
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Someone in the MOD must be reading our posts! The link to the pdf now opens the relevant file.

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Old 8th Apr 2007, 13:16   #10 (permalink)
 
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I like those people in the MOD, very nice they are.



...oooerrr what else are they reading
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Old 8th Apr 2007, 13:45   #11 (permalink)
 
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Hmmm......

I seem to recall that the Captain and Navigator were both held to be grossly negligent.

No mention in this watered-down version of the inadequate performance planning, poor SOPs or CRM issues which I vaguely recall having featured significantly in the original Incident Report.....
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Old 8th Apr 2007, 14:17   #12 (permalink)
 
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Thawes,

The link results in a 3 page pdf document "Military Aircraft Incident Summary Published By The MoD Incident To RAF BAe 146 CC2 ZE700".

Are you allowing it time to download?
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If, as Beag's says the Captain and Navigator were held to be "grossly incompetant" that doesn't say much for Jug Ears who was flying in the LH seat at the time!!

The best thing about that accident was that "Mummy won't let the incompetant twit fly her aeroplane any more". He doesn't appear to have flown since. That makes for safer airspace, and careers for the rest.

Needless to say any official report won't make Jug Ears look bad, but will hang anyone else close to the scene.

I will now get my hat and coat and head for the Tower!!
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Old 8th Apr 2007, 17:29   #14 (permalink)
 
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You would have thought, with ears that size, HRH would have heard the radio calls regarding the wind etc.
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I remember the incident reported on the TV BBC news. After reading this thread, I went digging on the Web and found THIS
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There is also this watered down version in the public domain:

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=187927

Extract:

"The flight had come from Aberdeen. Runway 13/31 at Islay is 1,545 metres long with a landing distance available of 1,245 metres. The runway has a tarmac surface. It is reported that the Board of Inquiry found the captain 'negligent' in that '(he failed) to intervene when the aircraft performance and limitations were exceeded in the final stages of the flight'.

The navigator was also apparently found 'negligent' for 'failing to advise the captain of the tailwind component and to draw his attention to the inaccurate approach parameters.' "
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If, as Beag's says the Captain and Navigator were held to be "grossly incompetant" that doesn't say much for Jug Ears who was flying in the LH seat at the time!!

The best thing about that accident was that "Mummy won't let the incompetant twit fly her aeroplane any more". He doesn't appear to have flown since. That makes for safer airspace, and careers for the rest.

Needless to say any official report won't make Jug Ears look bad, but will hang anyone else close to the scene.

I will now get my hat and coat and head for the Tower!!
No need, this is the UK all you have done is publish that you are a prejudiced anti-royalist.

No worries, there are one or two around... your a protected endangered species.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 12:05   #18 (permalink)
 
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I remember the incident reported on the TV BBC news. After reading this thread, I went digging on the Web and found THIS
Caused by a burst tyre, forsooth! The crew exonerated after all these ears. I mean years.
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nothing to do with Air Chief Marshal The Prince Of Wales,
Last time I looked he was a Marshal of the Royal Air Force.

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I'd feel rather humbled to be faced by three DFC holders as well as the widow(?) of another.
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