Option, but you've waived your option. Didn't you know?
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Surely this is simple,
Sqn Ldr & above: must complete return of service AND notify (by whatever devious means) of your intention to take your NEW option, as extended service to 55 is guaranteed.
Flt Lt: Has no guaranteed service beyond 16/38 pt unless accepts PA. PA has to be accepted by a certain date (1 yr to go). Legally, the offer of PA MUST be accepted before further service is given - a nil return equals no PA. Unless they say differently on the offer letter (but I suspect this wouldn't hold up at a tribunal!?).
Sqn Ldr & above: must complete return of service AND notify (by whatever devious means) of your intention to take your NEW option, as extended service to 55 is guaranteed.
Flt Lt: Has no guaranteed service beyond 16/38 pt unless accepts PA. PA has to be accepted by a certain date (1 yr to go). Legally, the offer of PA MUST be accepted before further service is given - a nil return equals no PA. Unless they say differently on the offer letter (but I suspect this wouldn't hold up at a tribunal!?).
Champagne anyone...?
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Except about Joe Strummer.....
Except about Joe Strummer.....
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On a different note I've heard that you can PVR and go quickly, up to a year early on your 38/16 date, if you've done 17 years + and you have a job offer. Anybody any idea if this is true and where I can find the details (I have tried myself with no joy, honest!). Most pertinent to me would be whether you still have to give 12 months notice and therefore lose half your flying pay for a whole year.
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The plot thickens.
Just had the 'future of PMA' (sorry I mean ACOS (Manning), catchy name! 
) chat, from Gp Capt Opie today. On the whole, I was pretty impressed with most of the changes, almost enough the change my mind and stay 
…. naaa, not likely .
Apparently, under the new ACOS (Manning) practices, one has to:
Opt Out of Promotion, yet
Opt In to Extension of Service. No chance of confusion there then!
So somewhat different to what my deskie said. But the good news is, that one will have to positively extend ones service past a 16/38 point, therefore we should not have anyone else caught by the ‘assume your staying’ policy. Moreover, the team also suggested that almost any option will be explored to keep people in at the moment, as we overshoot the target manning, and have UK gapping rates of around 17-20%.
They also mentioned that a number of trades have been identified as smashing harmony-guidelines: Fire-fighters, Movers, Gunners, MT Techs to name a few. Also, from the aircrew fraternity: SH, C130 and Harrier. But there was little indication of what their airships may do to rectify the situation, but at least this is the first step.
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) chat, from Gp Capt Opie today. On the whole, I was pretty impressed with most of the changes, almost enough the change my mind and stay …. naaa, not likely .Apparently, under the new ACOS (Manning) practices, one has to:
Opt Out of Promotion, yet
Opt In to Extension of Service. No chance of confusion there then!
So somewhat different to what my deskie said. But the good news is, that one will have to positively extend ones service past a 16/38 point, therefore we should not have anyone else caught by the ‘assume your staying’ policy. Moreover, the team also suggested that almost any option will be explored to keep people in at the moment, as we overshoot the target manning, and have UK gapping rates of around 17-20%.
They also mentioned that a number of trades have been identified as smashing harmony-guidelines: Fire-fighters, Movers, Gunners, MT Techs to name a few. Also, from the aircrew fraternity: SH, C130 and Harrier. But there was little indication of what their airships may do to rectify the situation, but at least this is the first step.
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Having read your plight, there is but one very simple solution.......
You, by yourself, pick a date that you want to leave the service and put it in writing to the following people:
a Your Sqn Cdr
b The Staish
c PMA
d AOC
Explain to them that you are fed up with being screwed around by a bunch of incompetant fools, that you feel you have been 'cheated' by these new 'options' and that you WILL leave the service on that day.
Stand back and watch what happens. Probably very little, because at the end of the day, they know that what they are doing / have done. will not stand up in a court or law. Let it ne known that you have no qualms about going to the press or indeed redressing those at the very top. Endex.
I am sympathetic to your cause, believe me, but I would point out that this kind of thing has been to the 'lower ranks' for absolutely years and years, and it is ironic that it is now making headlines! I am in no way anti Officer, but it is amazing to find that even the officer cadre are now being shafted by their own!
As for your own problem Sir - just do it. There will be no adverse consequences believe me, and no one will even bat an eye lid when you're gone!
TSM
Having read your plight, there is but one very simple solution.......
You, by yourself, pick a date that you want to leave the service and put it in writing to the following people:
a Your Sqn Cdr
b The Staish
c PMA
d AOC
Explain to them that you are fed up with being screwed around by a bunch of incompetant fools, that you feel you have been 'cheated' by these new 'options' and that you WILL leave the service on that day.
Stand back and watch what happens. Probably very little, because at the end of the day, they know that what they are doing / have done. will not stand up in a court or law. Let it ne known that you have no qualms about going to the press or indeed redressing those at the very top. Endex.
I am sympathetic to your cause, believe me, but I would point out that this kind of thing has been to the 'lower ranks' for absolutely years and years, and it is ironic that it is now making headlines! I am in no way anti Officer, but it is amazing to find that even the officer cadre are now being shafted by their own!
As for your own problem Sir - just do it. There will be no adverse consequences believe me, and no one will even bat an eye lid when you're gone!
TSM
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TSM,
Thank you for your insightful advice, however, I am not yet near enough to my tether to take such irrevokable steps. I have, of course sought advice from my command chain and the scribblies, both of whom are on side. And of course a redress of complaint (and even legal action) is not out of the question.
Moreover, it saddens me that you say that the NCAs have been treated like this for some time now, yet it intrigues me that I was not aware of it before, despite having been a Flt Cdr for AEng and ALMs. I am aware of a couple of individuals who have fallen between the cracks (and got shafted) due to several changes in T&Cs, but not the norm.
The really sad part is that despite nearly 20 years of dedicated service, ACOS(M) are now so short of people that they would rather have a totally pi$$ed off bum-on-seat (exactly how productive do they think I am going to be?) than accept that their (unnotified) change of policy was fundamentally flawed, and allow me to go, time-served.
More to follow...
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Thank you for your insightful advice, however, I am not yet near enough to my tether to take such irrevokable steps. I have, of course sought advice from my command chain and the scribblies, both of whom are on side. And of course a redress of complaint (and even legal action) is not out of the question.
Moreover, it saddens me that you say that the NCAs have been treated like this for some time now, yet it intrigues me that I was not aware of it before, despite having been a Flt Cdr for AEng and ALMs. I am aware of a couple of individuals who have fallen between the cracks (and got shafted) due to several changes in T&Cs, but not the norm.
The really sad part is that despite nearly 20 years of dedicated service, ACOS(M) are now so short of people that they would rather have a totally pi$$ed off bum-on-seat (exactly how productive do they think I am going to be?) than accept that their (unnotified) change of policy was fundamentally flawed, and allow me to go, time-served.More to follow...
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