Non eligible - But i can get a civilian class 1 medical
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Non eligible - But i can get a civilian class 1 medical
This is a wild idea, but just bear with me.
Im non-eligible for aircrew as i take a preventative asthma inhaler.
I've been attack free for 14 years and experience no problems during exercise, sport - (Only when im around Dogs!) And never use a reliever.
Because of this im after a career in commercial aviation but came to the idea that, if i get my class 1 medical, and maybe even my commerical license then could i go back to forces and ask them to reconsider?
The problem with the forces medical is that if you dont fill the tick box, you dont get in, but is it because they think im not fit to fly or because i take regular medication?
Im non-eligible for aircrew as i take a preventative asthma inhaler.
I've been attack free for 14 years and experience no problems during exercise, sport - (Only when im around Dogs!) And never use a reliever.
Because of this im after a career in commercial aviation but came to the idea that, if i get my class 1 medical, and maybe even my commerical license then could i go back to forces and ask them to reconsider?
The problem with the forces medical is that if you dont fill the tick box, you dont get in, but is it because they think im not fit to fly or because i take regular medication?
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A class one CAA medical and a CPL/fATPL are about as much use to the RAF as a chocolate fireguard.
Your medical issues won't have gone away, and you'll have spent £££s loads getting the CPL/fATPL.
You'll just have to accept that you can not meet their medical standards.
Your medical issues won't have gone away, and you'll have spent £££s loads getting the CPL/fATPL.
You'll just have to accept that you can not meet their medical standards.
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???
I dont get the sandpit retort?
I will just carry on with the commercial route but it is a shame when you cant have the opportunity you have always hoped for!
I will just carry on with the commercial route but it is a shame when you cant have the opportunity you have always hoped for!
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You are assuming that the RAF only worry about your health when you're sat in an aircraft, which is what a commercial medicial certificate is concerned with. The RAF want to ensure that after getting out of your nice and safe aircraft you can then put on a respirator, charge through the dust storm and fire your rifle as well as any other man on the ground.
Food for thought....
Food for thought....
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Fray, in addition to what Speeddial said, in civil aviation you sit comfortably in an armchair at 4000 feet of so straight and level with some possible exertion every few hours of so.
In a combat jet yoy may be sitting on a less comfortable seat, at 25000 feet, pulling high gee. Then you might suddenly be sitting outside your comfort zone at 40000 feet and plummeting for the sandpit and bad guys with big sticks.
How would you propose to use your inhaler under these circumstances?
As has been stated elsewhere on the OASC thread, there are more than enough super-fit, high quality candidates for the few slots that there is no need to take high risk, marginal candidates.
In a combat jet yoy may be sitting on a less comfortable seat, at 25000 feet, pulling high gee. Then you might suddenly be sitting outside your comfort zone at 40000 feet and plummeting for the sandpit and bad guys with big sticks.
How would you propose to use your inhaler under these circumstances?
As has been stated elsewhere on the OASC thread, there are more than enough super-fit, high quality candidates for the few slots that there is no need to take high risk, marginal candidates.
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thats the problem!
Well thats just it, i know i could run,fight,shoot,put on my respirator then jump in my jet and fly to 40,000 feet and be just dandy (as long as i take my inhaler twice a day at Bedtime and in the Morning)
Im sure there arent too may allergens in the 'sand-pit' just like when i go abroad, or mountaineering i dont take an inhaler!
But jokes aside, the beurocracy can get quite irritating and appear inconsistent when my friend who has the worst eyesight known to man, had laser surgery, wears contatcts and got into the Marines.
Im not trying to argue my case, just venting my frustrations!I think teh final point is, it may be hard to get hold of an inhaler from a chemist in a war zone.
Im sure there arent too may allergens in the 'sand-pit' just like when i go abroad, or mountaineering i dont take an inhaler!
But jokes aside, the beurocracy can get quite irritating and appear inconsistent when my friend who has the worst eyesight known to man, had laser surgery, wears contatcts and got into the Marines.
Im not trying to argue my case, just venting my frustrations!I think teh final point is, it may be hard to get hold of an inhaler from a chemist in a war zone.
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If he has to jettison his aircraft, an asthma attack is the least of his worries! And how many RAF pilots have to get out of their aircraft and then fire a rifle?
I do seem to remember though that whilst inhalers are not acceptable - you can have a heart bypass and still carry on flying? Right?
I do seem to remember though that whilst inhalers are not acceptable - you can have a heart bypass and still carry on flying? Right?
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and still carry on flying
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Umm. No.
There was a guy who flew Jags after a heart bypass.
I believe he subsequently, sadly, died after colliding with some cumulo-granite in wales.
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I might have made that up. An internet search is not backing up my outrageous claims with any evidence. Can anyone shed any light? I'm sure it happened in the late 80's. A light aircraft was involved. Then again it could have all been a dream....
There was a guy who flew Jags after a heart bypass.
I believe he subsequently, sadly, died after colliding with some cumulo-granite in wales.
Edit:
I might have made that up. An internet search is not backing up my outrageous claims with any evidence. Can anyone shed any light? I'm sure it happened in the late 80's. A light aircraft was involved. Then again it could have all been a dream....
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Telic 1 - SH crews stagging on in the desert (and on a few occasions, making ready as the hun bimbled past) this is in addition to building accomodation, filling sandbags, wearing 2.2stone of body armour while flying (Mk60/61) trying to sleep in a 50 degree heat with no aircon.
Having any illness is going to make you a liability to yourself but more importantly your mates who have to look after you. Im a fit lad and breezed the acclimatisation training and still suffered massively in the heat which was in a controlled environment behind a wire not on the run with bad guys chasing me.
Its annoying im sure not being accepted due to medical reasons but you have to remember that OASC have been doing what they do for generations. They do actually know what they are doing. Harsh but true.
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Having any illness is going to make you a liability to yourself but more importantly your mates who have to look after you. Im a fit lad and breezed the acclimatisation training and still suffered massively in the heat which was in a controlled environment behind a wire not on the run with bad guys chasing me.
Its annoying im sure not being accepted due to medical reasons but you have to remember that OASC have been doing what they do for generations. They do actually know what they are doing. Harsh but true.
Heights good
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A wheezy boy who can't get close to dogs would have been no good in NI on Wessex 5/Puma dropping off/picking up the patrols - quite a few took a four-legged friend with them.
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Yes there was a Wing Commander who after much lobbying got a medical category to fly restricted to "with a competent pilot" I believe. The mid-air with a Cessna 150 over Wales was his first trip (in a Two-seater).
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Yes there was a Wing Commander who after much lobbying got a medical category to fly restricted to "with a competent pilot" I believe. The mid-air with a Cessna 150 over Wales was his first trip (in a Two-seater).
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ACW, I had reported the other pilot to the CAA and they had warned him about illegal low flying but been unable to prosecute as they could not prove he had been the PIC.
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I might have made that up. An internet search is not backing up my outrageous claims with any evidence. Can anyone shed any light? I'm sure it happened in the late 80's. A light aircraft was involved. Then again it could have all been a dream....
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There were two similar crashes.
The heart/lung survivor was killed in a mid-air in Wales with a light, I believe it was a twin, engaged on illegal low flying. He was on his first post-op flight in a Jaguar. I am not sure if he was intended to return to flying or a 'final' flight prior to grounding. The civvie used to take aerial photographs of peoples homes on spec and then try and flog the pics.
Low flying, 150 feet or less, with pilot hand held photography.
The other incident was just south of Finningley. Mid-air with a Tornado and a light aircraft out of Gamston. I do not think there was any blame attached to the military aircraft and I cannot recall the findings.
The heart/lung survivor was killed in a mid-air in Wales with a light, I believe it was a twin, engaged on illegal low flying. He was on his first post-op flight in a Jaguar. I am not sure if he was intended to return to flying or a 'final' flight prior to grounding. The civvie used to take aerial photographs of peoples homes on spec and then try and flog the pics.
Low flying, 150 feet or less, with pilot hand held photography.
The other incident was just south of Finningley. Mid-air with a Tornado and a light aircraft out of Gamston. I do not think there was any blame attached to the military aircraft and I cannot recall the findings.
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I remember reading about the latter. It was a GR from TTTE at Cottesmore and a Cessna, again engaging in some low level hand-held photography. It was an Italian stude at the beginning of the convex, heads-in doing an ops check. Lots of evidence in the AAIB report talking about the light ac's pilot frequently flying profiles "consistent with aerial photography," but nothing was done.