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I'm sure theres gonna be a lot of traffic on this one but I'll start it off with the following:
Any body got any ideas what is meant by 'selected WSOs' ??
Any body got any ideas what is meant by 'selected WSOs' ??
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Mrs Pye is a very happy girl, apparently this WRI (wife's retention incentive) buys a fair amount of shoes and handbags.
It's a pity MOD is not quite as savvy as the city, where bonuses are paid to the wives to take advantage of their tax allowances (where they exist).
I for one would still sign the commitment if the trouble and wife was given the money.
It's a pity MOD is not quite as savvy as the city, where bonuses are paid to the wives to take advantage of their tax allowances (where they exist).
I for one would still sign the commitment if the trouble and wife was given the money.
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Cut and Paste I'm afraid, the bit you want is at page 53, para 4.9 onwards
http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/FFC91...b_rpt_2007.pdf
Hope it helps
DB
http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/FFC91...b_rpt_2007.pdf
Hope it helps
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What constitutes a 'Senior Officer Pilot?' Why do they always say 50K when the smiling assasin always takes back 40% of it in tax? Either make it tax free or advertise what we will actually get in our piggy banks!
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Missing the target
So they pay the Sqn Ldrs who may already be more in favour of doing the time anyway (given that they did whatever they did to get promoted in the first place), but ignore the Flt Lt multi pilots who are presumably amongst the pissed off crowd, and still have the multi training to make themselves useful elsewhere - Virgin, BA, NetJets the list goes on................
Multi-training won't help in BA any more. All recruitment on 737, Airbus and a few onto 757. ME and FJ guys all in the same boat at the moment.
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Ah, well, you see, the argument probably goes something like this:
Flt Lt/Lt Pilots approaching their IPP have the carrot of assimilation to PAS, with its (very) long-term financial incentive in pay and pension terms, particularly if also a member of AFPS 05, to look forward to. Meanwhile, Career Stream Sqn Ldr/Lt Cdr Pilots have been wondering why they bothered to try and get promoted in the first place and have been leaving, threatening the future manning balance and experience levels in the Career/Staff stream. The FRI is an attempt to provide them with a juicy carrot too. Interesting also to note in the AFPRB report the snippet about work on a future development of pension terms for Career Stream vs PAS. Nevertheless, one has to wonder if the multiplying number of different FRIs aimed at particular pinch points will achieve the desired affect. They are relatively cheap for the employer, when compared with giving the money through rises in regular salary, since they don't carry through into longer-term pension liabilities. However, I even the apparently eye-watering 2x£50,000 (gross) for Career Stream Senior Officer pilots seems to me to be struggling to keep up with the commercial competition, given the offset of a minimum 5-year delay in enterring the civil airline market, with the knoock on affects that such a delay would bring. I have always thought that if MoD wanted to offer a serious commercial incentive for those guys to stay long-term, it needs to be thinking more in the order of £250 000 (net) for starters.
How's that for an argument for a (green with envy) non-pilot?
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Flt Lt/Lt Pilots approaching their IPP have the carrot of assimilation to PAS, with its (very) long-term financial incentive in pay and pension terms, particularly if also a member of AFPS 05, to look forward to. Meanwhile, Career Stream Sqn Ldr/Lt Cdr Pilots have been wondering why they bothered to try and get promoted in the first place and have been leaving, threatening the future manning balance and experience levels in the Career/Staff stream. The FRI is an attempt to provide them with a juicy carrot too. Interesting also to note in the AFPRB report the snippet about work on a future development of pension terms for Career Stream vs PAS. Nevertheless, one has to wonder if the multiplying number of different FRIs aimed at particular pinch points will achieve the desired affect. They are relatively cheap for the employer, when compared with giving the money through rises in regular salary, since they don't carry through into longer-term pension liabilities. However, I even the apparently eye-watering 2x£50,000 (gross) for Career Stream Senior Officer pilots seems to me to be struggling to keep up with the commercial competition, given the offset of a minimum 5-year delay in enterring the civil airline market, with the knoock on affects that such a delay would bring. I have always thought that if MoD wanted to offer a serious commercial incentive for those guys to stay long-term, it needs to be thinking more in the order of £250 000 (net) for starters.
How's that for an argument for a (green with envy) non-pilot?
Regards
Ginseng
ah - just found it -
3.43
As part of the measures to address manning shortages during 2005-06, the Army awarded 358 Golden Hellos, 26 Re-Joining Bounties and 200 Transfer Bonuses for those moving into Operational Pinch Points. As an indication of the effectiveness of short term measures, the manning position for Army Aircrew had improved with a surplus of Lynx and Gazelle Aircrew leading to withdrawal of the FRI in April 2006, a year earlier than planned.
so that's ok then.
I bet all the Army Aircrew in Helmand and Iraq are pretty impressed with that one.
3.43
As part of the measures to address manning shortages during 2005-06, the Army awarded 358 Golden Hellos, 26 Re-Joining Bounties and 200 Transfer Bonuses for those moving into Operational Pinch Points. As an indication of the effectiveness of short term measures, the manning position for Army Aircrew had improved with a surplus of Lynx and Gazelle Aircrew leading to withdrawal of the FRI in April 2006, a year earlier than planned.
so that's ok then.
I bet all the Army Aircrew in Helmand and Iraq are pretty impressed with that one.
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The G1 boys that go to the meetings have done a stunning job of not getting anything for the Army pilots. No shortage of pilots so no need for FRI. Last years surplus of 40 Lx pilots has turned into a shortfall of 30 for some reason.
At first I was a bit miffed that once again they have stitched us up, but then I had to giggle that the carreer stream officers (Army) are the real losers here; the career stream officers negotiate it all of course (see the irony?). Why not give it to Army Majors as well? In the Helicoper world now it is all JHC and joint. G1 is single service - lucky Army. Its rather like that joke about the Swiss doing the trains and UK doing the food etc; the Army doing your G1, you ought to wish that never gets the vote.
This one really stinks of Officer flying pay/NCO flying pay which we in the Army got rid of some time back but is now sneaking back in. Around the JHC, look to who is doing the flying.
Recently we hear rumours of:
a. G1 going to MOD to see if they can stop LE officers climbing the pay spine above a certain level so they won't turn down their Lt Col - it comes around every 3 years or so for one slot. Can't have the chaps turning their noses up at that. Army NCO pilots are already capped at level 23.
b. On the pension changeover there was a definate lack of certain ranks ranges being offered Pay Spine (a pause) so they could take advantage of it.
c. No need for an AH bonus yet, they are time barred until early next year and of course we can always call them up as reserves just to squeeze another 6 months out of them.
I am not a fan of the AH bonus, if your pilots are in short supply, bonus pilots, not just individual types. Improve conditions and man management. Targetting some career O4 types just so they can stay in is the same, derisive. Pay some and not the others and it just causes the retention problem to shift emphasis.
I never moaned about not getting mess incidentals while serving at Aldergrove, until under JHFNI we all combined and RAF got it, and Army didn't - single service interpretation of the rules. It was only like 120p a day. I didn't need it, but I certainly was miffed when we all didn't get it.
So once again, well done the Navy and RAF for extending their bonus system, and very well done for the the Army funding it by not convincing the board that they also require it.
The Admin service arranged it, the navy saw a good thing and said yes please, and the Army missed the point.
The G1 boys that go to the meetings have done a stunning job of not getting anything for the Army pilots. No shortage of pilots so no need for FRI. Last years surplus of 40 Lx pilots has turned into a shortfall of 30 for some reason.
At first I was a bit miffed that once again they have stitched us up, but then I had to giggle that the carreer stream officers (Army) are the real losers here; the career stream officers negotiate it all of course (see the irony?). Why not give it to Army Majors as well? In the Helicoper world now it is all JHC and joint. G1 is single service - lucky Army. Its rather like that joke about the Swiss doing the trains and UK doing the food etc; the Army doing your G1, you ought to wish that never gets the vote.
This one really stinks of Officer flying pay/NCO flying pay which we in the Army got rid of some time back but is now sneaking back in. Around the JHC, look to who is doing the flying.
Recently we hear rumours of:
a. G1 going to MOD to see if they can stop LE officers climbing the pay spine above a certain level so they won't turn down their Lt Col - it comes around every 3 years or so for one slot. Can't have the chaps turning their noses up at that. Army NCO pilots are already capped at level 23.
b. On the pension changeover there was a definate lack of certain ranks ranges being offered Pay Spine (a pause) so they could take advantage of it.
c. No need for an AH bonus yet, they are time barred until early next year and of course we can always call them up as reserves just to squeeze another 6 months out of them.
I am not a fan of the AH bonus, if your pilots are in short supply, bonus pilots, not just individual types. Improve conditions and man management. Targetting some career O4 types just so they can stay in is the same, derisive. Pay some and not the others and it just causes the retention problem to shift emphasis.
I never moaned about not getting mess incidentals while serving at Aldergrove, until under JHFNI we all combined and RAF got it, and Army didn't - single service interpretation of the rules. It was only like 120p a day. I didn't need it, but I certainly was miffed when we all didn't get it.
So once again, well done the Navy and RAF for extending their bonus system, and very well done for the the Army funding it by not convincing the board that they also require it.
The Admin service arranged it, the navy saw a good thing and said yes please, and the Army missed the point.
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The AAC have so many pilots, they have to plot op tours at less than 4 months in duration so aircrew don't get R&R. This is because they don't have enough crews to cover during R&R periods. Fully loaded! Or A.F.Bee
Sheer genius! The AAC has three distinct aviating communities (NCO/DE/LE) and by what can only be descibed as selfish "why should they when we can't/didn't" have succeeded in pi$$ing us all off. This will successfully push those thinking of going to....go. With no incentive to stay (non PES, non Reg, AFPS75, no FRI), why should I? I'm off.
don't forget the Anzio Dinner
Now now chaps, no need to vent your spleen here! Anyone who's at the (unsurprisingly final) Anzio dinner night tomorrow can take their pick of the senior people to poke in the chest.
I will be there - care to join me?
ttfn!
I will be there - care to join me?
ttfn!
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Sadly tom i have to agree with every one in 656Sqn looking for away out need we say anymore. With two tours under our belts, here by the grace of god and all that. Never mind only because of the character of the guys in the squardon it means the AH programme is where we are now. But will we ever learn. Enjoy your POTL mate.