Brize Car Parking - How secure??
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Just finished a course at Brize. When I booked the hired car onto camp the security office asked which company it was with. When I told him he said they were banned from drop-offs because they have claimed their cars were either damaged or missing.
I was a bit surprised as they were a large, well known company, but perhaps there there was something in what they were saying, after all.
Security did not sound too bothered by it.
I was a bit surprised as they were a large, well known company, but perhaps there there was something in what they were saying, after all.
Security did not sound too bothered by it.
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Offence was probably not committed by anyone who had any good reason to be at the 'Airhead'.
I was there today on 'very important' business.
Window went down as I approached Mr and Mrs Snowdrop - MT pouch and ID in hand - and with 10 yards to go they got distracted and started shouting to someone to my right.......I drove straight on by. Only found out later that I should of had a vehicle pass........
Offence was probably not committed by anyone who had any good reason to be at the 'Airhead'.
I was there today on 'very important' business.
Window went down as I approached Mr and Mrs Snowdrop - MT pouch and ID in hand - and with 10 yards to go they got distracted and started shouting to someone to my right.......I drove straight on by. Only found out later that I should of had a vehicle pass........
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Psssst Ratty1,
Don't tell anyone this, but I was 'checked' onto the airhead stn yesterday by Mr Plod showing exactly the same documents. It was, after all, a MT vehicle......
Don't tell anyone this, but I was 'checked' onto the airhead stn yesterday by Mr Plod showing exactly the same documents. It was, after all, a MT vehicle......
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Really?
How exactly would not having a vehicle pass constitute a security alert? If anyone can really explain to me why they are needed when one is in posession of a forces ID card, I would be grateful! Seems like needless bolleaux to keep the idle in work to me...
Back on topic, I had my aerial stolen in 2002 from the said car park. I was utterly amazed and pretty annoyed at my welcome home from 6 months in lovely Bosnia. 9 years in the Navy and nothing like this ever happened to me at any Naval Base, despite my car residing in them for most of my career. Nor have I heard of it happening elsewhere, except for RAF B-N. RAFP's attitude was pretty much 'whaddayawantmetodoabaatit?". I suggested CCTV, but I see they still haven't quite got around to it....
Back on topic, I had my aerial stolen in 2002 from the said car park. I was utterly amazed and pretty annoyed at my welcome home from 6 months in lovely Bosnia. 9 years in the Navy and nothing like this ever happened to me at any Naval Base, despite my car residing in them for most of my career. Nor have I heard of it happening elsewhere, except for RAF B-N. RAFP's attitude was pretty much 'whaddayawantmetodoabaatit?". I suggested CCTV, but I see they still haven't quite got around to it....
Probably because when you leave your vehicle, you put your forces ID card in your pocket and don't leave it on display in the window like a car pass, so the car can be seen to legit. No car pass in a car at BZN, but driver has an ID card in his pocket at MPA, is not a lot of use to the security forces.
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Excellent reply ZH875. Who DOESN'T know that you have to display a vehicle pass on an military base?
Come on guys, it's been around for a few years now. It's not new.
And as for this:
(I Quote): Window went down as I approached Mr and Mrs Snowdrop - MT pouch and ID in hand - and with 10 yards to go they got distracted and started shouting to someone to my right.......I drove straight on by. Only found out later that I should of had a vehicle pass........(Unquote)
Give credit where credit is due. It's SERCO security at Brize. Just because they wear a white hat and a yellow vest doesn't make them snowdrops.
Give security over to a civilian company like them and you know what will happen.
As much as they were pilloried, I would like to see our RAFP back on the gates. They did the job professionally and to an extremely high standard.
I stand by for incoming.
Come on guys, it's been around for a few years now. It's not new.
And as for this:
(I Quote): Window went down as I approached Mr and Mrs Snowdrop - MT pouch and ID in hand - and with 10 yards to go they got distracted and started shouting to someone to my right.......I drove straight on by. Only found out later that I should of had a vehicle pass........(Unquote)
Give credit where credit is due. It's SERCO security at Brize. Just because they wear a white hat and a yellow vest doesn't make them snowdrops.
Give security over to a civilian company like them and you know what will happen.
As much as they were pilloried, I would like to see our RAFP back on the gates. They did the job professionally and to an extremely high standard.
I stand by for incoming.
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"Probably because when you leave your vehicle, you put your forces ID card in your pocket and don't leave it on display in the window like a car pass, so the car can be seen to legit. No car pass in a car at BZN, but driver has an ID card in his pocket at MPA, is not a lot of use to the security forces"
And? How does the car get there? Short of someone having invented a pegasus powered mondeo while I was having dinner, presumably the vehicle has to pass through a security gate where it is checked by the ever-vigilant guard service? Would a MOD wide vehicle database be difficult to organise, just for the once-in-a-lifetime occasion that someone questions the ownership of a parked car?
And? How does the car get there? Short of someone having invented a pegasus powered mondeo while I was having dinner, presumably the vehicle has to pass through a security gate where it is checked by the ever-vigilant guard service? Would a MOD wide vehicle database be difficult to organise, just for the once-in-a-lifetime occasion that someone questions the ownership of a parked car?
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Who DOESN'T know that you have to display a vehicle pass on an military base?
Clearly, SERCO security guards. I'll say it again, {{{{{{IT WAS A MT VEHICLE}}}}}.
I have to say this raises further issues about security at military airfields; I have gained access to a number of bases recently on showing only an ID card and a MT pouch - certainly not been directed to go and get a VP.
I see the error of my ways and I will now stop this irresponsible practice............
Who DOESN'T know that you have to display a vehicle pass on an military base?
Clearly, SERCO security guards. I'll say it again, {{{{{{IT WAS A MT VEHICLE}}}}}.
I have to say this raises further issues about security at military airfields; I have gained access to a number of bases recently on showing only an ID card and a MT pouch - certainly not been directed to go and get a VP.
I see the error of my ways and I will now stop this irresponsible practice............
IIRC MT fleet vehicles don't need a car pass - just the MT docket is sufficient. (Edited coz Level 28 posted whilst I was two finger typing!)
However, taking Wannabees thinking one stage further if all visitors have to come through the main gate and past RAFP / MOD Plod / SERCO or whoever then why do we have to lock secrets away at night or indeed need combination locks to get into the Mess / barrack block etc. Surely everybody has been checked ....
Memories are short.
Back on thread - with regards to the car park at Brize. Use MT. Thats what they are there for. And again, IIRC, deploying on ops is one of those rare times that MT will come and pick you up from your house regardless of whether it is on base or off base. Or at least they did at the only remaining flying base in Norfolk!
However, taking Wannabees thinking one stage further if all visitors have to come through the main gate and past RAFP / MOD Plod / SERCO or whoever then why do we have to lock secrets away at night or indeed need combination locks to get into the Mess / barrack block etc. Surely everybody has been checked ....
Memories are short.
Back on thread - with regards to the car park at Brize. Use MT. Thats what they are there for. And again, IIRC, deploying on ops is one of those rare times that MT will come and pick you up from your house regardless of whether it is on base or off base. Or at least they did at the only remaining flying base in Norfolk!
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pheww you were luck....picked up from home...who are you the Station Commander?
At a Hampshire base you'd be lucky if you get picked up at all ,for Ops by MT
At a Hampshire base you'd be lucky if you get picked up at all ,for Ops by MT