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Old 13th Feb 2007, 16:07
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Iranian Sniper Rifles Iraq

Makes you think they set him up and he walked right into it....

The Times: February 13, 2007 - We have not armed Iraq insurgents, say Iranians

President Ahmadinejad has rejected American claims that Iran has supplied sophisticated weapons to militants to attack US forces in Iraq. He said that the allegations were unproven “pieces of paper” and claimed that Iran’s security was dependent on Iraq’s stability.......

The Daily Telegraph: February 13, 2007 - Iraqi insurgents using Austrian rifles from Iran

Austrian sniper rifles that were exported to Iran have been discovered in the hands of Iraqi terrorists, The Daily Telegraph has learned. More than 100 of the.50 calibre weapons, capable of penetrating body armour, have been discovered by American troops during raids.

The guns were part of a shipment of 800 rifles that the Austrian company, Steyr-Mannlicher, exported legally to Iran last year. The sale was condemned in Washington and London because officials were worried that the weapons would be used by insurgents against British and American troops.

Within 45 days of the first HS50 Steyr Mannlicher rifles arriving in Iran, an American officer in an armoured vehicle was shot dead by an Iraqi insurgent using the weapon. Over the last six months American forces have found small caches of the £10,000 rifles but in the last 24 hours a raid in Baghdad brought the total to more than 100, US defence sources reported.......

The rifle can pierce all body armour from up to a mile and penetrate armoured Humvee troop carriers. It is highly accurate and fires a round called an armour piercing incendiary, a bullet that the Iranians manufacture.

The National Iranian Police Organisation bought the rifles allegedly to use them against drug smugglers in an £8 million order placed with Steyr in 2005.....
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Bit like the Barrett 0.50 that Paddy and Mick were using in Northern Ireland - where did those come from again?
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Twos in

Damn right!
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But the key difference, gentlemen, is that the government didn't supply the Barretts.
 
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The IRA had Barretts?
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IRA Barrets

They get much use out of them?

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A local lad here was a member of the Pioneer Corps who was killed by a IRA Barrett in one of a number of shootings attributed to them on the borders.
As for not being able to control the supply of a specialist sniper rifle to person's outside the U.S - ridiculous!
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They get much use out of them?
Lance Bombardier Stephen Restorick was shot and killed at a VCP in Bessbrook in 1997 by a sniper using a Barrett Light 50.

Of course the funding for that rifle probably came from a Boston bar, where the 'orish-americans' still believe that Ulster is a place full of happy go lucky scallywags fighting the nasty imperialist Brits.

Unfortunately it took 9/11 to curb US sponsored terrorism when they finally realised that hey, perhaps various terrorist groups around the world might share knowledge.
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http://www.impactguns.com/store/HS50.html

http://www.50calshooters.ca/Data/Sit...tingTracer.wmv
 
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Who's the IRA?
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Thank God for the likes of Charlton Heston, without whom such things wouldn't remain openly available for any nutter to buy.

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Who's the IRA?
Well some say they are an American backed religious fundamentalist group responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocent people, some say they are a group who uses a 'cause' to hide the fact they are extortionists and drug dealers and yet more people say they are the violent wing of Shinn Fein.
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such things wouldn't remain openly available for any nutter to buy.

Or any law-abiding citizen either.

And that, sir, is one of the differences between our peoples.

However, as the thread was opened regarding the Iranians buying Austrian weapons, perhaps it can return to that subject? Or is it ok for the Austrians to sell such weapons but not us?
 
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Stay on task with this one boys, there's plenty of Brit dirt in NI so quit acting so pompous.
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deleted pointless personal attack

Though edited to add another option to Stackers
'Jane's All the World Terrorist Organisations'

some do say the IRA are/were the remains of the Irish branch of radicalised left-wing hippy students of the 1960s (aka THE 68'ers) Remember their sister organisations The Red Army Faction, the Barder-Meinhoff gang etc? Basically just another Marxist-Leninist terrorist group ironically funded by the usual eastern block pinko-fag Commies and loyal right-wing Orish-‘Mericans

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Very predictable Westy but whats saddest is that there was at the time very strong evidence to support the theory that the triggerman in Stackers earlier post was in fact one of yours
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the triggerman in Stackers earlier post was in fact one of yours
I don't know much about this issue (big picture, ok, but not what life was like or many of the specific acts, so that said....)

If so, then he's a murderer and a terrorist. What's your point? How does this relate to Iran supplying the bad guys in Iraq who are shooting at both our folks?
 
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Just wondering:

1. Have the serial numbers been traced to the consignment sent to Iran?
2. Can they demonstrate a chain of acquisition from Steyr to the insurgency that passes through official Iranian channels? Is it impossible to rule out that the weapons were supplied by an arms dealer or even that this is part of a covert operation to implicate Iran?
3. As to why Austria shouldn't be selling Iran weapons- Exactly how many countries has Iran invaded since 1979? Wheras, in the same period of time, the US has used military and/or paramilitary force in (draws deep breath):

Angola, Iran x 3, Libya x 3, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Lebanon, Grenada, Honduras, Bolivia, The Phillippines, Panama, Iraq x 3 (counting the unsanctioned no-fly zones), Somalia, Former Yugoslavia, Afghanistan x 2, Sudan and Colombia.

(Note- yes, I'm aware the Iranians back terrorist groups, but I'd be here all night if I had to list the ones the US has backed/continues to back.)
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If you don't think there wasn't Brit (or her surrogate parties) atrocities in NI over the year, you're very uninformed.
I have no love for the IRA, nor the thugs who fought equally dirty against it.
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Libya? Must have missed that one, when was the invasion?
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