Female C-130 pilot - The Sunday Times
That's what sub editors do. It's what I do to video. Cut out all the ers and ums and reorder things until streams of consciousness make sense. I wouldn't be surprised if the phrase "less stringent" was a paraphrase of a long string of much less objectionable, much less coherent rambling.
No journalist will ever try to publish a literal word for word translation of someone's speech.
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No journalist will ever try to publish a literal word for word translation of someone's speech.
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The anology of a horse water and not drinking really does apply here. This thread has quite a lot of input from those who actually know Caz and we have input now from someone within the journo world who says
"That's what sub editors do. It's what I do to video. Cut out all the ers and ums and reorder things until streams of consciousness make sense. I wouldn't be surprised if the phrase "less stringent" was a paraphrase of a long string of much less objectionable, much less coherent rambling.
No journalist will ever try to publish a literal word for word translation of someone's speech."
And still some of you don't get it, there's no rocket science here folks
"That's what sub editors do. It's what I do to video. Cut out all the ers and ums and reorder things until streams of consciousness make sense. I wouldn't be surprised if the phrase "less stringent" was a paraphrase of a long string of much less objectionable, much less coherent rambling.
No journalist will ever try to publish a literal word for word translation of someone's speech."
And still some of you don't get it, there's no rocket science here folks
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Can I just try to sum up this thread?
The pilot in question may or may not be the next Mother Theresa, but with a brevet.
The pilot in question came across as a bit of a twit in the papers (this may or may not be down to the pilot in question).
The pilot in question may or may not learn from this, as many of those reading it may or may not do.
Have I missed anything?
The pilot in question may or may not be the next Mother Theresa, but with a brevet.
The pilot in question came across as a bit of a twit in the papers (this may or may not be down to the pilot in question).
The pilot in question may or may not learn from this, as many of those reading it may or may not do.
Have I missed anything?
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Have I missed anything?
Yes - she's out there doing her bit, for which I am very grateful. I expect her Mum and Dad are proud but anxious.
Yes as are all the other personnel the article insulted.
NFFP no it is not rocket science nor is it rocket science for someone to realise that what they say can and will be interpreted by the editor. Also nor is it rocket science to realise that anything derogatory will sound ten times worse in print. Nor is it rocket science to work out that she either said or wrote something along that vein.
Have I missed anything?
Yes - she's out there doing her bit, for which I am very grateful. I expect her Mum and Dad are proud but anxious.
Yes as are all the other personnel the article insulted.
NFFP no it is not rocket science nor is it rocket science for someone to realise that what they say can and will be interpreted by the editor. Also nor is it rocket science to realise that anything derogatory will sound ten times worse in print. Nor is it rocket science to work out that she either said or wrote something along that vein.
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Good grief! Does the article really deserve or require 11 pages of comment & discussion in this forum? Have you all not created the mother of all mountains out of a molehill? It was published at the back of a Sunday supplement, not on the front page of a newspaper, it might well have passed barely noticed but for the furore that's been created here. Surely there are more pressing issues to discuss - the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan, under-funding & overstretch in the armed forces, the mothballing of half the RN, even the possible disbandment of the Red Arrows - no more, please!
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Even tho I said I wouldn't comment further, I have one question.
Having read the Times Article, I can't help but think that it is too coherent to be uttered in an interview with a journalist.
It almost looks as though it was written by her as a funny piece and handed to the journalist in question, sort of a "Caz, I want you to write a short piece, entitled 'A Day in the Life ...' and hand it to Mr Newspaperman for publication".
I wonder what other people think. I just can't imagine (humourless as I am) responding to each of the journos Qs in such a fashion. I knits together too well to be just 'off the cuff'.
Does anyone know the truth of this? Interview or Written submission?
Having read the Times Article, I can't help but think that it is too coherent to be uttered in an interview with a journalist.
It almost looks as though it was written by her as a funny piece and handed to the journalist in question, sort of a "Caz, I want you to write a short piece, entitled 'A Day in the Life ...' and hand it to Mr Newspaperman for publication".
I wonder what other people think. I just can't imagine (humourless as I am) responding to each of the journos Qs in such a fashion. I knits together too well to be just 'off the cuff'.
Does anyone know the truth of this? Interview or Written submission?
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Ken Scott: Does the article really deserve or require 11 pages of comment & discussion in this forum?
Yes it does! The biggest problem with recruiting and retention at the moment is making people feel that they belong. Belittleing ground personnel is dispicable and unacceptable at any time. The current RAF recruitment video states that "You don't need to be a pilot to fly", but the reality is that we, the aviation fraternity, are a minority. We cannot operate without the support that we get from those who do not briefly slip the bonds of earth (unless you are on the maritime or AT fleet, in which it sometimes involves slipping them for 3 or 4 meals
). The ground based personnel can operate quite happily without us, but the reality is that we need them. To alienate them in any way, spoken or written, is unacceptable and can never be forgiven.
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Yes it does! The biggest problem with recruiting and retention at the moment is making people feel that they belong. Belittleing ground personnel is dispicable and unacceptable at any time. The current RAF recruitment video states that "You don't need to be a pilot to fly", but the reality is that we, the aviation fraternity, are a minority. We cannot operate without the support that we get from those who do not briefly slip the bonds of earth (unless you are on the maritime or AT fleet, in which it sometimes involves slipping them for 3 or 4 meals
). The ground based personnel can operate quite happily without us, but the reality is that we need them. To alienate them in any way, spoken or written, is unacceptable and can never be forgiven.SMT
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Can't take the banter SFFP?
Oh SFFP (or is it NFFP?). Just by your tone and air of self-importance do I judge thee. I don't need to meet you to know of your type.
I think it is normally called white noise...... she's a nice girl...she didn't mean it...she was out of town...the tux didn't come back from the cleaners... IT WASN'T HER FAULT.......
Grow up, shut up and get a life
I think it is normally called white noise...... she's a nice girl...she didn't mean it...she was out of town...the tux didn't come back from the cleaners... IT WASN'T HER FAULT.......
Grow up, shut up and get a life
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stickmonkettamer: the ground based personnel can operate quite happily without us...
Umm, yes....but....without the aeroplanes, & those that operate them, what would be the point?
Umm, yes....but....without the aeroplanes, & those that operate them, what would be the point?