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It is the taking of things out of context and micheviously reinterpreting the facts.
I can understand that the US has an abhorrance for ethnic cleansing, hopefully borne out of regret for what happened to the Native american indians.
I can understand that the US has an abhorrance for ethnic cleansing, hopefully borne out of regret for what happened to the Native american indians.
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Saw the interview....and laughed for 5 mins
Complete media stereotype played out for our amusement...I could imagine the producer and editor rubbing their hands gleefully as they made the final cut.
For what its worth, the guy represents all thats wrong with certain small pockets of parochial sh*tkicker USA....having said that, on a saturday (here in the UK) go onto various football terraces and apart from the accent, try and spot the difference
Complete media stereotype played out for our amusement...I could imagine the producer and editor rubbing their hands gleefully as they made the final cut.
For what its worth, the guy represents all thats wrong with certain small pockets of parochial sh*tkicker USA....having said that, on a saturday (here in the UK) go onto various football terraces and apart from the accent, try and spot the difference
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For what its worth, the guy represents all thats wrong with certain small pockets of parochial sh*tkicker USA....having said that, on a saturday (here in the UK) go onto various football terraces and apart from the accent, try and spot the difference
He's in a minority in the US, the majority are a great bunch. But hicks like him are a powerful force within "The Base". (What's the Arabic phrase for that again?)
Below the Glidepath - not correcting
Mind you, what on earth are ITN up to?
2. Trying to create a story where none exists.
3. Appealing to the baser instincts of every neanderthal out there.
4. Going for some very easy Yank bashing votes.
5. Exploiting the memory of those who died or were injured.
6. Demonstrating what the true spirit of gutter journalism is about.
7. Showing why introducing an AIDS ridden crack-whore as your new partner is less embarrassing than saying you know a Journalist.
But the good news is at least most of you got it.
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FWIW, my colleagues (American) said words to the effect of "have you seen the news - footage of British soldiers being attacked by A-10s. Holy $hit, I'm so sorry".
So not all bad here. Haven't seen the ITN piece, but "ordinary" Americans truly appalled by this.
So not all bad here. Haven't seen the ITN piece, but "ordinary" Americans truly appalled by this.
I'm not surprised that our allies keep killing us.
I worked at Holbeach for a while and well remember the A-10 that accidentally bombed the pilot cutter going out from Sutton Bridge and the F-111 that was quite happily doing a hot run laser self designated attack on a moving ship target going up the channel before we called him off. And that in peace time, no hostiles and known to be NO moving targets on the range. Switch c*ck ups causing the whole BRU to come off when the pickle was pressed and many others. Never saw the Brits/Germans/Canadians/French/Belgies do that on the range.
I recall the almost hysterical excitement of many US pilots visiting us when the A10s straffed or bombs were dropped. I remember thinking at the time that I hoped I was never in harms way with these guys.
Thats just the printable stuff.
Fog of War incidents are always going to happen and I know fighter pilots are not recruited for their warm sensitive natures and lack of agression, but the things I saw on the range bordered on childish.
Surprised? No. Amazed? No, just very sad that it keeps happening on both sides of the "allied" divide.
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I worked at Holbeach for a while and well remember the A-10 that accidentally bombed the pilot cutter going out from Sutton Bridge and the F-111 that was quite happily doing a hot run laser self designated attack on a moving ship target going up the channel before we called him off. And that in peace time, no hostiles and known to be NO moving targets on the range. Switch c*ck ups causing the whole BRU to come off when the pickle was pressed and many others. Never saw the Brits/Germans/Canadians/French/Belgies do that on the range.
I recall the almost hysterical excitement of many US pilots visiting us when the A10s straffed or bombs were dropped. I remember thinking at the time that I hoped I was never in harms way with these guys.
Thats just the printable stuff.
Fog of War incidents are always going to happen and I know fighter pilots are not recruited for their warm sensitive natures and lack of agression, but the things I saw on the range bordered on childish.
Surprised? No. Amazed? No, just very sad that it keeps happening on both sides of the "allied" divide.
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It was the very worst in journalism. There was absolutely no reason to put this guy on the news other than to deliberately stir up anti-American feeling.
For those talking about how great we brits are, just remember that one of the few aircraft shot down by the RAF fighter force since WWII was a Jaguar downed by an F4.
It is regretable, as has been said in other threads, mistakes happen and when you have a force several times larger than ours, the statistical likelihood of mistakes grow. What is obscene, is the apparent cover up and lack of honesty. I also think it was obscene to plaster the pilot's face all over the front page like some inhuman fiend.
My thoughts go out to both the family of Motty and also the family of the pilot involved.
Americans are not all bad, yes they can be quite insular but hey, they have brought us the delights of Paris Hilton, Britney Spears and Murphy, Madonna and Anna Nicole Smith (RIP).
Oh and while I remember it, the Harrier that bombed a certain UK Carrier some years back!
For those talking about how great we brits are, just remember that one of the few aircraft shot down by the RAF fighter force since WWII was a Jaguar downed by an F4.
It is regretable, as has been said in other threads, mistakes happen and when you have a force several times larger than ours, the statistical likelihood of mistakes grow. What is obscene, is the apparent cover up and lack of honesty. I also think it was obscene to plaster the pilot's face all over the front page like some inhuman fiend.
My thoughts go out to both the family of Motty and also the family of the pilot involved.
Americans are not all bad, yes they can be quite insular but hey, they have brought us the delights of Paris Hilton, Britney Spears and Murphy, Madonna and Anna Nicole Smith (RIP).
Oh and while I remember it, the Harrier that bombed a certain UK Carrier some years back!
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For those talking about how great we brits are, just remember that one of the few aircraft shot down by the RAF fighter force since WWII was a Jaguar downed by an F4
Ahh, an American designed missile launched by an American designed (well mostly) aircraft shooting down a good guy... seems inevitable
Sorry if my sense of humour is misplaced, perhaps we could wait on the inquest when it is resumed in 6 weeks time.
Ahh, an American designed missile launched by an American designed (well mostly) aircraft shooting down a good guy... seems inevitable
Sorry if my sense of humour is misplaced, perhaps we could wait on the inquest when it is resumed in 6 weeks time.
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I suspect ITV may well have acted quite deliberately in order to display the ignorance of these people. It worked. Unfortunately as someone else has said they vote and elect presidents, are allowed to carry sidearms (in some states HAVE TO
) and are sent to war. God help us!
A dreadfully sad error in the course of a war. I do not wish to judge, but action should be taken. It has to be recognised that as long as the US do not publicise details of any disciplinary action taken the 'media' will continue the witch-hunt.
) and are sent to war. God help us!A dreadfully sad error in the course of a war. I do not wish to judge, but action should be taken. It has to be recognised that as long as the US do not publicise details of any disciplinary action taken the 'media' will continue the witch-hunt.
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Idaho resident K***y E***s appeared on the American version of Do You Want To Be a Millionaire.
Her $100.00 question was: What is the biggest and she had 4 options. She asked for a 50/50 and it came down to Elephant or The Moon.
She Phoned a Friend and spent the first 15 seconds of her 30 saying she was on TV. She then asked the question and her friend said The Moon. She disagreed and told the presenter 'My friend is not very bright'. She then used up her last life line by asking the audience. 98% said 'The Moon'.
She chose 'Elephant'.
I wonder if she is related to the fella who was interviewed.
That was very funny and I bet ITV had to hunt high and low to find him.......or did they?
Her $100.00 question was: What is the biggest and she had 4 options. She asked for a 50/50 and it came down to Elephant or The Moon.
She Phoned a Friend and spent the first 15 seconds of her 30 saying she was on TV. She then asked the question and her friend said The Moon. She disagreed and told the presenter 'My friend is not very bright'. She then used up her last life line by asking the audience. 98% said 'The Moon'.
She chose 'Elephant'.
I wonder if she is related to the fella who was interviewed.
That was very funny and I bet ITV had to hunt high and low to find him.......or did they?
Sorry to but in and let the truth get in the way of a good story but BellEnd (and Mike) you may wish to look here.
And lets not get started on "the USAF can't bomb you ought to have seen what they've done on the weapon ranges". That's a whole can of (RAF) worms you really don't want to open. Jaguars mis-identifying Garvey Island and dropping a live 1000lb-er some distance away (10nm and 50 degrees of LOA or something like that). Tornado jettisoning a fuel tank rather than a shoulder mounted 1000lb bomb. If there is one place (other than the sim) that cock-ups can/may be made it is on a range - thats why we have an RSO in place to call a stop to it if its all going wrong. Deci range - you go home!
And lets not get started on "the USAF can't bomb you ought to have seen what they've done on the weapon ranges". That's a whole can of (RAF) worms you really don't want to open. Jaguars mis-identifying Garvey Island and dropping a live 1000lb-er some distance away (10nm and 50 degrees of LOA or something like that). Tornado jettisoning a fuel tank rather than a shoulder mounted 1000lb bomb. If there is one place (other than the sim) that cock-ups can/may be made it is on a range - thats why we have an RSO in place to call a stop to it if its all going wrong. Deci range - you go home!
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[quote Doctor Cruces said]Never saw the Brits/Germans/Canadians/French/Belgies do that on the range.[/quote]
Sorry Doctor, you may be perfectly correct about not seeing such attacks on the range. Clearly the Buccanneer attack on a cockle boat (1971) was not visible from the range. The Tornado attack on a wreck some miles off the range (2002) was also not seen. The same wreck had been attacked on 2 successive passed by a Canberra in the 50s.
Then there was the Victor attack at China Rock and Song Song, successive attacks), with 1000lb HES - both heard but not seen (1964). Then the Vulcan attack on the NAAFI at El Adem (1965) and a similar attack on an Army landing craft at Episkopi (1972). There was also a Red Top in a new hole at St Andrews (1970s?).
Of course our cousins also attacked and hit the range quadrant at Wainfleet (2000) and more recently Holme on Spalding Moor with 500lb bombs (2005/6). And more recently Grantham with boxes of flares.
It is not confined to the air forces either:
The RN Wasp that dropped his AS12(?) and carriers on the beach at Larnacca (1972) or the USS Winston Churchill that shelled Cornwall (2002ish).
Sorry Doctor, you may be perfectly correct about not seeing such attacks on the range. Clearly the Buccanneer attack on a cockle boat (1971) was not visible from the range. The Tornado attack on a wreck some miles off the range (2002) was also not seen. The same wreck had been attacked on 2 successive passed by a Canberra in the 50s.
Then there was the Victor attack at China Rock and Song Song, successive attacks), with 1000lb HES - both heard but not seen (1964). Then the Vulcan attack on the NAAFI at El Adem (1965) and a similar attack on an Army landing craft at Episkopi (1972). There was also a Red Top in a new hole at St Andrews (1970s?).
Of course our cousins also attacked and hit the range quadrant at Wainfleet (2000) and more recently Holme on Spalding Moor with 500lb bombs (2005/6). And more recently Grantham with boxes of flares.
It is not confined to the air forces either:
The RN Wasp that dropped his AS12(?) and carriers on the beach at Larnacca (1972) or the USS Winston Churchill that shelled Cornwall (2002ish).
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At the risk of second guessing him/her Brickhistory, I suspect that Flagon was alluding (not all that) humourously to the carrying of sidearms as a means of ensuring personal safety in some of the less salubrious areas of the US. But I stand to be corrected.
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MSJ, I think you may be right. Down the Keys one year we were feeling our way and clearly upset a local. He pulled alongside and I could see him talking to me. Lowered the electric window and then wished I hadn't. The clue was the multi-coloured Jackson Pollock paint scheme.
Same state, next year, BinL was cut up and gave the universal British symbol of disapproval. In response the other driver followed him to his hotel, said 'we know ehre you are dude' and pointed a cocked finger at him. He checked out and moved to a different town.
Now had we had 9mm would we have been quick enough to fire in self-defence but not too quick to be quilty of firing first?
Again, same state, few years ago, two drunken Brits lost and looking for their hotel. They knocked on someone's door and immediately got wasted - no question of asking what they wanted.
Same state, next year, BinL was cut up and gave the universal British symbol of disapproval. In response the other driver followed him to his hotel, said 'we know ehre you are dude' and pointed a cocked finger at him. He checked out and moved to a different town.
Now had we had 9mm would we have been quick enough to fire in self-defence but not too quick to be quilty of firing first?
Again, same state, few years ago, two drunken Brits lost and looking for their hotel. They knocked on someone's door and immediately got wasted - no question of asking what they wanted.
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I do so help to God that you never see a village idiot representing the UK (Albeit apart from Tony Blair as there isnt much we can do about him it seems) like the one that represented good old Uncle sam last night. A more pompous, arrogant, loathsome, and narrow minded person you just wouldn't want to meet, unless of course it was in a dark alley somewhere quiet!
I do so help to God that you never see a village idiot representing the UK (Albeit apart from Tony Blair as there isnt much we can do about him it seems) like the one that represented good old Uncle sam last night. A more pompous, arrogant, loathsome, and narrow minded person you just wouldn't want to meet, unless of course it was in a dark alley somewhere quiet!