A flying Air Trafficer!!!!?????
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Lomon,
You are quite right, this is a rumour network, it says so at the top of the page.
I think you will find that the guys (and gals) who fly the E-3 were not speculating about what, if anything, an ATCO can bring to the aircraft as a Surveillance Operator. They already know that as an SO he will have no controller type function, so the main experience he will bring to the aircraft will be as an ex dryman on Nimrods. Perhaps in time his ATCO experience will be of benefit as an SC or TD, but as an SO it is very limited. It is the others that are speculating what he will bring to the aircraft.
IGAT
The dogs maybe, but not their handlers
Y_G
You are quite right, this is a rumour network, it says so at the top of the page.
Obviously intelligent discussion is forbidden here. The thread started as a speculative rumour, this is the rumour network isn't it? The guys who routinely fly E3 sorties were speculating on what skills an Air Traffic Controller would bring to to an E3 crew.
IGAT
Frankly, I think that anyone from most trades in the RAF could do the SO job
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You're right Yellowgait!! Imagine if you put an Rock on the crew you'd probably be able to get CCS out of the way whilst on task!!!! Instead of it taking about a week nowadays!!
I must stop this banter
or I might get told off by Samurai Matt!!
I must stop this banter
or I might get told off by Samurai Matt!!
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LOL watch what you say mate, PMA might be watching and take you at your word! ATC taking jobs on E3, SAR going civvy, MR4, reduced crews, Army Door gunners getting x-trained maybe the future isn't so bright 
Maybe PMA will think 'save money' and stop recruiting/re-engaging NCA for a while...................
Navs to Aeops are sat in meaningless ground trades twiddling their thumbs and getting flying pay! you have to agree this is pure waste
Maybe PMA will think 'save money' and stop recruiting/re-engaging NCA for a while...................
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F and F, I hope PMA are listening!!!
You hit the nail on the head when you said about the future not being so bright. I think PMA know exactly how many people are in ground trades, what I'm sure though, is that they haven't fully grasped how s##t morale is at the moment amongst NCA. They won't have to worry about a saturation of us NCA believe me as most will leave on their own accord if things continue as they have been doing. PMA can't afford to stop recruiting NCA but they can save money by using their already trained assets more wisely!
You hit the nail on the head when you said about the future not being so bright. I think PMA know exactly how many people are in ground trades, what I'm sure though, is that they haven't fully grasped how s##t morale is at the moment amongst NCA. They won't have to worry about a saturation of us NCA believe me as most will leave on their own accord if things continue as they have been doing. PMA can't afford to stop recruiting NCA but they can save money by using their already trained assets more wisely!
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tailchase, if not writing, certainly reading.
There are those of us who have kicked around this air force for long enough to see how much overlap there is. I will swear here: "Leaning". If a consultancy firm came and looked at the whole organisation (as opposed to the snippets we choose to give them), they would have a field day. So many of the skills (not all) are entirely transferrable. Why don't we get out of our stavepipes and actually do something productive instead? To those NCA who are stuck bleating away on ground tours, welcome to the RAF. Have you ever thought that exposure to something other than your 'prime' role may actually make you, and the Service, a better rounded person/organisation? If not, there is a nice little video somewhere of an AAC staff sgt being in the thick of things as part of a cobbled-together platoon in Afghanistan. To me, that is a true professional - someone who thinks a little further than his comfort zone.
There are those of us who have kicked around this air force for long enough to see how much overlap there is. I will swear here: "Leaning". If a consultancy firm came and looked at the whole organisation (as opposed to the snippets we choose to give them), they would have a field day. So many of the skills (not all) are entirely transferrable. Why don't we get out of our stavepipes and actually do something productive instead? To those NCA who are stuck bleating away on ground tours, welcome to the RAF. Have you ever thought that exposure to something other than your 'prime' role may actually make you, and the Service, a better rounded person/organisation? If not, there is a nice little video somewhere of an AAC staff sgt being in the thick of things as part of a cobbled-together platoon in Afghanistan. To me, that is a true professional - someone who thinks a little further than his comfort zone.
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London Mil,
What drivel !!!!! Comfort zone!!!!!!???? Try spending six months every year for the last four in a tent in Basra. It's a lot different and a lot more uncomfortable than you could ever possibly imagine. I'm not saying that you've not gone out of area or been employed in other roles LM. Obviously you must have, to come up with the logical, rounded and sensible statements you seem to come up with from time to time.
You need to read up a bit more and see where us NCA aircrew are employed you will find it interesting reading. I'm not even going to start telling you where I have been employed in the past as I believe it not to be professional, I too have been around. However, If you can't see that leaving aircrew on the ground whilst putting groundcrew in the air is completely absurb not too mention massively expensive, then you are obviously a yes man sir!!
What drivel !!!!! Comfort zone!!!!!!???? Try spending six months every year for the last four in a tent in Basra. It's a lot different and a lot more uncomfortable than you could ever possibly imagine. I'm not saying that you've not gone out of area or been employed in other roles LM. Obviously you must have, to come up with the logical, rounded and sensible statements you seem to come up with from time to time.
You need to read up a bit more and see where us NCA aircrew are employed you will find it interesting reading. I'm not even going to start telling you where I have been employed in the past as I believe it not to be professional, I too have been around. However, If you can't see that leaving aircrew on the ground whilst putting groundcrew in the air is completely absurb not too mention massively expensive, then you are obviously a yes man sir!!
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I was having my dinner!
London Mil - pressing need to fill up on beer and curry called - sorry.
Your points noted - I worked and lived alongside many ATC frends and colleagues in the past. Good times and good banter.
Your points noted - I worked and lived alongside many ATC frends and colleagues in the past. Good times and good banter.
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then you are obviously a yes man sir!!
