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Old 12th Dec 2019, 10:41
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Chipmunks

Might be of interest for the Chipmunk drivers/enthusiasts on here. I think it is a compilation as I do not recognise most of the background. (Chipmunk fixer at 4 AEF late 80's).
https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/...cs-1950-online
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 13:55
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Just started towing with this Mk23 Chipmunk for the Buckminster GC at Saltby. Fab tug! Not quite as strong as a Pawnee but the handling........
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 15:42
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Hi Dave, is that Tango Fox? I thought that it had been converted back to a 'normal' Chippy some time ago.
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 19:29
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The infamous Bumblemunk, many happy hours flying TF but one alarming descent when the canopy came off the rails, I held onto it all the way down!
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 20:21
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It is indeed Papa Sierra! Makes a nice change from the EuroFox and DR400 that we usually tow with at Saltby, I really like it.
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 08:47
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Hi All, I'm writing an article about flying Tango Fox/Bumblemunk and would welcome any info on it. Does anyone know why it was only in the RAF for a few years? Also, what happened to the other Mk23s? Cheers, Dave
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 10:06
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Originally Posted by Dora-9 View Post
Haraka - the 1971 issue of the Painting Guide calls for red/white/red bands (all measuring at 2", except the outboard red which was 2.5") on the face, and 6.5" yellow tips on the rear - but some examples still had yellow tips on both sides years later!

Changes were if I remember correctly to make the prop strobe so you could see it when running, that black and white odd banded striped one shows it above in post 52..also at about the same time the red cross to show the location of the first aid kit was changed to green as it was against the Geneva Convention to fire on aircraft carrying the red cross, and as it was a military aircraft it was seen as not playing fair.
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 21:39
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DaveUnwin: It seems that WB563 left the RAF in 1956 to become G-AOTF. I believe there was a cull of the Chipmunk fleet around that time when the RAF closed the Reserve Flying Schools - the last RFS closed in July 1954.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 06:30
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Innominate - actually the cull was a little earlier; a great number of Chipmunks were placed in storage in 1953. Subsequently they were declared Non Effective Stock with the sales occurring in 1956.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 12:27
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Thanks for the intel Dora and Innominate, any idea why the cull occurred? End of Korean War? Pre-Sandys thinking re manned aircraft?
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 16:20
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Trying to summarise Jeff Jefford's paper on pages 91 to 94 of https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/documen...ary-Forces.pdf - There was a review of aircrew requirements in 1953 which decided that aircrew reinforcements in time of war, would be provided from the reserves, but they needed "realistic, that is to say operational, refresher training at a level of sophistication far beyond that which could be provided by Chipmunks and Ansons at an RFS... In fact, because of the already reduced size of the VR, the Air Council had decided to start running down the RFSs, even before Baker-Carr presented his findings. In a statement to the House in December 1952 the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, George Ward, pointed out the increasing irrelevance of continuing to fly RFS Chipmunks and Ansons off grass strips in the jet age at a cost of some 2.5M per year and he announced that seven of these units were to be closed."

This evidently led to the cull in 1953 mentioned by Dora; it's not so much pre-Sandys in terms of unmanned aircraft but certainly part of some serious thinking about how the RAF and its reserves would be shaped ready for the next war. Incidentally, Sandys was appointed Minister of Defence in January 1957 and the infamous White Paper was published in April, so Sandys would have had little input. He may have wielded the axe, but it was sharpened by Macmillan (Chancellor before becoming PM in 1957) and the Treasury.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 19:05
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Innominate - thanks for posting that.
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