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Tornado down in the wash, crew safe

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Old 24th Oct 2006, 15:48
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St Georges? Thought Queens was still the destination for ejectees?
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The Notts hosp is the specialist unit for spinal injuries. The then OC Ops at Cottesmore was choppered there immediately after his crash a few years ago. They patched him up with spinal scaffolding (it now sits mounted on his desk) and he was flying again within a year.

Glad to hear the guys are ok...
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LS, .... and they were most certainly outside of the range for a significant amount of time during the emergency.

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Junglie Sea King...

...from Yeovilton which I saw off was the first on scene. Just got back now covered in mud and said the guys were ok with the exception of the usual post-ejection type stuff (sore back and feeling mighty shocked). I took the liberty to say thank-you and well done on behalf of the guys involved.
They gave details of the crew and possible cause (having chatted to them whilst waiting for the yellow cab), but I don't think it's my place to tell, it's good enough that they're ok.
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LS, I have PM'd you.
 
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latest: 31sq crew but 2sq bird, reportedly multiple birdstrike at low level

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Old 24th Oct 2006, 17:55
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Tornado down in the wash, crew safe

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/arti...-C1-Headline-5

LONDON (Reuters) - Two Royal Air Force air crew parachuted to safety after their Tornado fighter jet crashed in Lincolnshire on Tuesday, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) said.

"We can confirm that a Tornado has crashed on the Holbeach range near the Wash," an MoD spokeswoman said.

Both crew members in the two-seat plane were rescued by helicopter after safely ejecting and were taken to hospital for checks.
Reports on the BBC suggest they are being treated for spinal injuries, presumably as a result of the kick up the bum they recieved when ejecting.

Which got me thinking... I know the eject motor need to produce high g when the plane is going fast but what about when it's going slower? Do modern ejector seats have variable power to minimise spinal injury or is it an all or nothing shot? Are most of the ejections these days low speed peacetime events?
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Old 24th Oct 2006, 18:09
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They gave details of the crew and possible cause (having chatted to them whilst waiting for the yellow cab), but I don't think it's my place to tell, it's good enough that they're ok.
Knowledge is power...
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Old 24th Oct 2006, 18:25
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Local paper has story with a picture at:

http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/...A24%3A20%3A993

So it was a 2 Sqn jet
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Old 24th Oct 2006, 18:33
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modtinbasher,

Standard practice for all ejectees. Nottingham and Haslar are the 2 nominated locations with specialist facilities and clinicians having expert knowledge of spinal injury due to ejection.

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Brill. Thanks for that, I thought it was duff reporting. I'm glad they are in safe hands anyway!

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I've heard through official channels that the crew ejected safely; it was of personal interest as my lads serviced the seats. Beyond that no word has got here.
TMJ... often wonder where the work went to after the great boys in 7 Sqn Saints lost the task, perhaps you'd PM me and bring me up to date would you? I spent many a happy hour down in the seat bay.
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Old 24th Oct 2006, 18:36
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Mr Mulford said it had been "very much a routine practice day".
Right up to the point when the CWP lit up

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Old 24th Oct 2006, 18:56
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Originally Posted by Vasco XV
Knowledge is power...
Indeed...
Didn't want to appear aloof/snotty, just have learned from previous threads how people don't always respect the privacy of those involved and their families. In order to continue the one-upmanship (is that how you spell it??), it would appear that earlier avian comments are true...
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Old 24th Oct 2006, 19:20
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Originally Posted by cwatters
Which got me thinking... I know the eject motor need to produce high g when the plane is going fast but what about when it's going slower? Do modern ejector seats have variable power to minimise spinal injury or is it an all or nothing shot? Are most of the ejections these days low speed peacetime events?
Unfortunately not! It's not so much the speed in a straight line that is the killer, it's high rates of descent close to the ground where the ejection process doesn't have time to complete fully (.ie shute doesn't deploy). Would be nice to be able to turn a dial for a premeditated ejection (not saying this one was) to a leisurely 10G! In the case of the Tornado however, you do have an enormous Fin to clear! Modern seats are much more 'spine friendly' and accelerate the seat in stages as oppossed to the mighy 25G bang seats of old which was instant! In terms of what types of ejections are most common they vary hugely. Most emergencies that are internal to the aircraft will provide an amount of time to slow the aircraft down or gain some extra height. Some emergences however, such as control problems may require an instant ejection. External factors such as mid-air collisions/bird or wire strikes vary widely but you may only have a split second to decide if the aircraft is still controlable. So really....how long is a piece of string.........
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Old 24th Oct 2006, 19:52
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I believe the Royal Artillery has trialled the mud life jacket and made a mud-extraction training film to boot.
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Old 24th Oct 2006, 19:56
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Totally off thread and making light of a serious accident but here is the film made of the trials that PN mentions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5SQiHrDN0U

Seriously though, hope the chaps involved make a swift recovery.
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Old 24th Oct 2006, 20:01
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Cwatters- The Harrier seat has two pitots which flick out into the airflow post mdc detonation . They sense the forward airspeed and decide on a 'fast' or 'slow' ejection depending on what they find. Obviously speed is far more critical in the case of a Harrier ejection in terms of what the seat has to do compared to most fast jets having almost exclusively reasonable forward airspeed .
Modern seats are far more gentle on the occupants due to the rocket pack . However posture is still a major factor in reducing spinal injuries.
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Originally Posted by WhiteOvies
Totally off thread and making light of a serious accident but here is the film made of the trials that PN mentions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5SQiHrDN0U

Seriously though, hope the chaps involved make a swift recovery.
Firstly, glad the two of them got out in one piece and I wish them a speedy recovery.

Secondly, I've not laughed so hard in a while; funny vid.

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Old 24th Oct 2006, 22:21
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Wrong time of the month ?
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Old 24th Oct 2006, 22:48
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and promise to forgo it another 10 years
Thank fcuk for that, then...
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