Ferry caught up in a war game!
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Ferry caught up in a war game!
I wouldn't mind betting that the capatin of the ferry had to change his under wear when he got home !
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/6079974.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/6079974.stm
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So, yet again our dear American cousins are getting themselves into the press during Ex. Neptune Warrior (or JMC, as everyone still calls it) 
Almost every time this exercise/course is held some poor unknowing civilian ends up on the reciving end of a threatening challenge from our colleagues from across the pond. Not only are ferries on the receiving end on Ch.16 but airlines (on the airways!) on 121.5
And every time it gets into the press.
The idea is that this is a training exercise. The first week is a teaching tool, so no need to go rushing into things and end up making such mistakes. If they would only slow down and think before acting during phase 1 then they may actualy learn something - something that may be useful in the future when they don't have the time to think about it.
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Almost every time this exercise/course is held some poor unknowing civilian ends up on the reciving end of a threatening challenge from our colleagues from across the pond. Not only are ferries on the receiving end on Ch.16 but airlines (on the airways!) on 121.5
And every time it gets into the press.The idea is that this is a training exercise. The first week is a teaching tool, so no need to go rushing into things and end up making such mistakes. If they would only slow down and think before acting during phase 1 then they may actualy learn something - something that may be useful in the future when they don't have the time to think about it.
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Even if we have changed the name from JMC, thank God someone correctly called it, EXERCISE NEPTUNE WARRIOR, unlike the Beeb who called it "OPERATION NEPTUNE WARRIOR"
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The idea is that this is a training exercise. The first week is a teaching tool, so no need to go rushing into things and end up making such mistakes
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Daysleeper - Spot on....
I personally found it amusing....Part of me hopes the Ferry skipper put a PA out to the effect that all aboard should prepare for incoming fire!
I personally found it amusing....Part of me hopes the Ferry skipper put a PA out to the effect that all aboard should prepare for incoming fire!
Threats of opening fire on unarmed civilian vessels made on international distress frequencies are hardly 'mistakes' - they are cock-ups of the highest order.
One wonders what particular RoE were being 'simulated' at the time.
Foreign ships taking part in JMC are normally expected to be fully worked up - this does not sound like a 'mistake' to me, it sounds like incompetence almost of the Iranian Airbus level.....
One wonders what particular RoE were being 'simulated' at the time.
Foreign ships taking part in JMC are normally expected to be fully worked up - this does not sound like a 'mistake' to me, it sounds like incompetence almost of the Iranian Airbus level.....
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Look Beagle you talk a lot of sense on here so I dont want to fall out but.
No actually opening fire would have been of the highest order. Selecting the wrong box to transmit on is really quite minor and a mistake which countless pilots do every year. Yes its embarrassing but no-one is really at any risk.
Threats of opening fire on unarmed civilian vessels made on international distress frequencies are hardly 'mistakes' - they are cock-ups of the highest order.
Always assuming that it was such a mis-selection......
I hope you're right, but frankly I'm not at all sure. And yes, I have been 'challenged' by Red Crown on Guard when flying on airways on an international flight plan - presumably because there were 2 ac in the formation (as it said in the flight plan).
I hope you're right, but frankly I'm not at all sure. And yes, I have been 'challenged' by Red Crown on Guard when flying on airways on an international flight plan - presumably because there were 2 ac in the formation (as it said in the flight plan).
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It would be interesting to look back over lets say the last 65 years and see how many military disasters could be attributed to the wriong frequency/crystals or similar cock-ups. Arnhem, Bravo two Zero etc.
I agree that training exercises provide the opportunity to learn from mistakes, but Beagle has a point also. The lesson to be learnt needs to be a fairly deep one, ie; think through the possible consequences of not transmitting a warning on the correct channel. I'd hate to be blown out of the water just because of a minor technical oversight.
Finally, a big thankyou to our colonial cousins for providing their usual high standard of entertainment, thus reinforcing our well acknowledged military superiority. BTW... Any lighthouses been challenged yet?
I agree that training exercises provide the opportunity to learn from mistakes, but Beagle has a point also. The lesson to be learnt needs to be a fairly deep one, ie; think through the possible consequences of not transmitting a warning on the correct channel. I'd hate to be blown out of the water just because of a minor technical oversight.
Finally, a big thankyou to our colonial cousins for providing their usual high standard of entertainment, thus reinforcing our well acknowledged military superiority. BTW... Any lighthouses been challenged yet?
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Kitty Hawk
Kennedy
Eisenhower
Nimitz
Enterprise
Vinson
Roosevelt
Lincoln
Washington
Stennis
Truman
Reagan
All preceded by USS. And an air wing of around, what, 70-ish decent jets for each.
