A400M - Yes/No/maybe?
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A400M - Yes/No/maybe?
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Given the somewhat parlous financial state of Alphonse Airboos with the A380 'shennanigins' does the panel think this will have a knock on effect for the A400M?
If so is there hope yet, for a last minute C17 production line reprieve as a short term measure?
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Given the somewhat parlous financial state of Alphonse Airboos with the A380 'shennanigins' does the panel think this will have a knock on effect for the A400M?
If so is there hope yet, for a last minute C17 production line reprieve as a short term measure?
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Germany denies that Airbus' new military plane also faces delays
The German government has denied a Die Welt newspaper report that deliveries of the A400M military transport plane could be delayed by up to two years. "Airbus has up to now convinced us that the project will keep to the planned schedule," a German defence ministry spokesman said Friday.
German daily Die Welt, quoting defence ministry sources, reported on Friday that the German military would only take delivery of the first A400Ms in 2012 instead of the original date of 2010. But the spokesman said the ministry held regular meetings with Airbus and was confident that the first planes would be handed over in 2010......
Airbus chief executive Christian Streiff admitted in an interview on Thursday that the A400M project was under pressure. "The timetable is exactly on the edge," Mr Streiff said. "It is a tense situation with a number of suppliers internally. We are exactly on track but without any reserves."
The German government has denied a Die Welt newspaper report that deliveries of the A400M military transport plane could be delayed by up to two years. "Airbus has up to now convinced us that the project will keep to the planned schedule," a German defence ministry spokesman said Friday.
German daily Die Welt, quoting defence ministry sources, reported on Friday that the German military would only take delivery of the first A400Ms in 2012 instead of the original date of 2010. But the spokesman said the ministry held regular meetings with Airbus and was confident that the first planes would be handed over in 2010......
Airbus chief executive Christian Streiff admitted in an interview on Thursday that the A400M project was under pressure. "The timetable is exactly on the edge," Mr Streiff said. "It is a tense situation with a number of suppliers internally. We are exactly on track but without any reserves."
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Of course not, it simply means we (you) will get the aircraft we don't want or need, later than we would have wanted the alternative and at vastly greater cost. All in the name of European integration and political willy waving.
And in the interim we (we) will be forced to endure a substandard service whenever/wherever we are deployed to be tony's "force for good".
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And in the interim we (we) will be forced to endure a substandard service whenever/wherever we are deployed to be tony's "force for good".
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Have also seen many AB presentations. It does seem as if the A400M has been designed about the 'business end' (ie the cargo bay) and its tac role.
However, I remain concerned about the self-protection issues (well covered on Herc thead) but even if it is only half as good as the manufacturers' claims it will be pretty damn impressive and should be more than capable of fullfilling the SF/Tac role. The C17 is ill-suited, too expensive and, in the majority of the Tac/SF sub-roles and it would be too exposed and too poorly defended - not even the USAF use the ac for these tasks.
I am aslo worried that the A400M will come not fully cleared for all air drop, airland and ALARP roles, so wasting wasting valuable time and money getting such clearances. Perhaps Beags could enlighten us?
However, I remain concerned about the self-protection issues (well covered on Herc thead) but even if it is only half as good as the manufacturers' claims it will be pretty damn impressive and should be more than capable of fullfilling the SF/Tac role. The C17 is ill-suited, too expensive and, in the majority of the Tac/SF sub-roles and it would be too exposed and too poorly defended - not even the USAF use the ac for these tasks.
I am aslo worried that the A400M will come not fully cleared for all air drop, airland and ALARP roles, so wasting wasting valuable time and money getting such clearances. Perhaps Beags could enlighten us?
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My understanding was it is coming with full clearances, but using equipment that has been cleared by the european partners, which means, I think, using their chutes etc. As I also understand it, the RAF is the second customer to be supplied, when it comes in we will be able to utilise it in the TAC role almost Straight away. From what I finally understand, we will have nowhere near the same issues gaining clearances that we did on other newer AT assets.
Just dont ask about the Auto setting on the anti ice panel for the A400M!
You're just working out for yourselves what I realised a few years ago!
I don't actually work on the superior European Airlifter of the 21st Century, but chums who do reckon it'll make you lot smile with delight if you're ever privileged enough to fly it.
I'd hoped to have a look at the first A400M bits here at Bremen during the week, but I've been busy working on the upgrade programme for the world's only in-service 21st Century Multi-Role Transport Tanker - the superb A310MRTT!
I don't actually work on the superior European Airlifter of the 21st Century, but chums who do reckon it'll make you lot smile with delight if you're ever privileged enough to fly it.
I'd hoped to have a look at the first A400M bits here at Bremen during the week, but I've been busy working on the upgrade programme for the world's only in-service 21st Century Multi-Role Transport Tanker - the superb A310MRTT!
I don't have any!
I did actually inherit some BWoS shares from a delightful old aunt when she popped her clogs - but had to sell them to retain my self-respect!
One of the best aspects of the A400M 'Bristol Bureaucrat' will be the absence of suspiciously damp patches on the floor in the rear corners of the cockpit.....
I did actually inherit some BWoS shares from a delightful old aunt when she popped her clogs - but had to sell them to retain my self-respect!
One of the best aspects of the A400M 'Bristol Bureaucrat' will be the absence of suspiciously damp patches on the floor in the rear corners of the cockpit.....
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Where do the guys put their SA80, grab bags and bergens?
Is the flight deck armour integral?
What about anti-laser protection as well as RWR/DAS/HFI/JTIDS stuff - or is it all integrated and the RAF are paying to have some of it removed for a majority of our ac?
Is the flight deck armour integral?
What about anti-laser protection as well as RWR/DAS/HFI/JTIDS stuff - or is it all integrated and the RAF are paying to have some of it removed for a majority of our ac?
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The A380 cost £8 billion to develop and the Chinese three gorge project cost £15 billion - TB has blown £12 billion on a dodgy IT project for the NHS
Money is no object to our political buffoons... You will get the A400M but it will be easily 10 times the price and later than you could ever imagine
Money is no object to our political buffoons... You will get the A400M but it will be easily 10 times the price and later than you could ever imagine
maryofgander, I'm sure the IPT could tell you; I do not know what the UK specification will be.
As for where 'the guys' should stow their grunt kit - well there's acres of space in the aircraft.
As far as I recall, Link 16 (or similar) is to be included; DASS, armoured seats, fuel tank inerting.....ask your IPT.
The main delays to the programme have come from the late German acquisition decision some years ago.
As for where 'the guys' should stow their grunt kit - well there's acres of space in the aircraft.
As far as I recall, Link 16 (or similar) is to be included; DASS, armoured seats, fuel tank inerting.....ask your IPT.
The main delays to the programme have come from the late German acquisition decision some years ago.
Link 16?
So at long last Link 16 is somewhere close to being used. I remember our Navy comrades waxing lyrical about Link 16 (and Link 11 and Bellhop - for those that might remember the AEW Gannet) as the new thing coming in soon. And that was on No1 (Shack) AEW course at Kinloss in 1972!
Isn't it wonderful how quickly the procurement system works.
(I might also add that was the best conversion course I ever did - 1 week only where the AEW guys said what they did, and we said what we did, and from that we cobbled together a way of working. Later, we even got an aeroplane to try it on!)
So at long last Link 16 is somewhere close to being used. I remember our Navy comrades waxing lyrical about Link 16 (and Link 11 and Bellhop - for those that might remember the AEW Gannet) as the new thing coming in soon. And that was on No1 (Shack) AEW course at Kinloss in 1972!
Isn't it wonderful how quickly the procurement system works.
(I might also add that was the best conversion course I ever did - 1 week only where the AEW guys said what they did, and we said what we did, and from that we cobbled together a way of working. Later, we even got an aeroplane to try it on!)
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