National Service - could it bring us closer together?
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Much like the old air marshal in the 50s, I would still rather have a Gloster Javelin than 50,000 of them! We are supposed to be military services not a fall back to correct the failings of 21st Century society. We can hardly afford to equip our current manpower - look up whole fleet mananagment - let alone thousands more yoofs. We would end up as a large, lightly-armed outward bound organisation with a small cadre professional units bearing even more of the burden than currently - look up FGR Armed Forces.
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Rest assured he does NOT receieve the support of his commanders.........Public and private are two different matters.......secondly...
On the "military" issue, tonight (yes i`m slightly intoxicated following a reunion drink)i was waiting at Tower hill tube station for a train, three fellows who wore their "ex submariner" jackets were greeted by an ex military type (not known by me, but he stood out immensly ) who had a thank you to pass, they did not know this individual but hands were shook and a mutual bond existed for the remainder of the journey,funny stories were exchanged and a story about what "national service" would do, i observed this in the 3rd sentance such is the belief that it would be a result if national service was reintroduced..............im sure i will read this in the morning and have to decifer this thread but hey ho
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Those of us old enough to remember National Service will tell you that the regular serviceman spent most of his/her time supervising the NS lot who would find any excuse to avoid doing what they wre suposed to be doing.
Put that prospect alongside EU human rights, a litigious culture who are more inclined to argue or cry to mummy who in turn writes to their MP who then torpedoes the staff chain with endless questions about poor Joe. Do we realy want NS today?
Put that prospect alongside EU human rights, a litigious culture who are more inclined to argue or cry to mummy who in turn writes to their MP who then torpedoes the staff chain with endless questions about poor Joe. Do we realy want NS today?
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Good point however I'm not sure when I last saw the British Expat community burning the flags of their host nation...
We hear plenty about "rights" but nothing about duty. As an Englishman who had his British citizenship taken away by a change in the Nationality Act years ago, I'd like to hear a little more said about duty. I did my duty, only discovering that my citizenship had been cancelled when I applied for a passport prior to going on an overseas detachment. I eventually managed to secure "citizenship by descent" - a form of second class citizenship that doesn't automatically pass to my children or grandchildren - but its so annoying to see people who declare no loyalty to the nation demanding their "rights". As far as I'm concerned, citizenship rights should depend upon service or a specific declaration of loyalty - for those born in UK as well as those from foreign parts. No committment = no vote, no benefits, no health care, no anything.
National Service doesn't have to be in the military, by the way. Other countries require national service from their citizens in other areas and it works. In Singapore, apart from the military citizens may for example, serve in the police, or civil defence. They can even be conscientious objectors and perform their two years national service in prison. Everyone has a choice.
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Check this out. Looks as if the yanks are seriously considering a return to National Service!
Click Here
Click "Bill Number"
enter HR4752 in the box.
Here is an Excerpt
H. R. 4752
To provide for the common defense by requiring all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
Apparently these bills however never make it much past the House.
Click Here
Click "Bill Number"
enter HR4752 in the box.
Here is an Excerpt
H. R. 4752
To provide for the common defense by requiring all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
