Better T&C?
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Better T&C?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5399270.stm
dunno, the cynical side says 'papering over cracks' time, or even 'show me the money'
dunno, the cynical side says 'papering over cracks' time, or even 'show me the money'
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
The PM's spokesman..... added Britain was "around the top of the table" in surveys from 2002 and 2005 into the pay and conditions of forces in Nato and Commonwealth countries. Throughout their careers, all service personnel receive a 13% allowance on top of their basic salaries, he added......
Well it´s good to see that it will be a fair and impartial review......
Well it´s good to see that it will be a fair and impartial review......
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I am sorry to correct them, but I receive no allowance on top of my basic salary, my basic salary includes an X-factor amount of 13% that recognises that what I do is just a little different to what civvies do.
I am starting to think that the 13% is not enough...
I am starting to think that the 13% is not enough...
Well this should be interesting, although if they are counting the X-Factor as an additional allowance, then it shows just how poor our basic pay is for what we actually do and the levels of responsibility we are given i.e. for lives rather than the company accounts. I'm sure they will point out that we have a super all singing all dancing pension scheme that we don't physically contribute to; whilst the old scheme is good, I suspect they would negelect to mention that our pay is abated by around 7% in order to fund it.
As for the MOD denying that members of the armed forces are paid less than the minimum wage (£5.35/hr), do the sums yourself and work it out. We are expected to be on call to go anywhere and do anything 365/24/7: take you annual salary and see what that works out to per hour ...... based on being on call 24/7, I believe you have to get the mid Sqn Ldr bracket before you make £5.35/hr.
If this review is going to be full and fair, I have a question that I would like them to answer as fully and fairly as possible: why do the government keep trotting out the old line that we have the best armed forces in the world, but only have one of the best renumeration policies? Surely if we are the best, they should prove it by giving us the best renumeration package?
But then again, instead of a full and fair review, I'll just settle for it being less of a white wash than the Hutton and Butler reports. Or am I being overly optimistic?
As for the MOD denying that members of the armed forces are paid less than the minimum wage (£5.35/hr), do the sums yourself and work it out. We are expected to be on call to go anywhere and do anything 365/24/7: take you annual salary and see what that works out to per hour ...... based on being on call 24/7, I believe you have to get the mid Sqn Ldr bracket before you make £5.35/hr.
If this review is going to be full and fair, I have a question that I would like them to answer as fully and fairly as possible: why do the government keep trotting out the old line that we have the best armed forces in the world, but only have one of the best renumeration policies? Surely if we are the best, they should prove it by giving us the best renumeration package?
But then again, instead of a full and fair review, I'll just settle for it being less of a white wash than the Hutton and Butler reports. Or am I being overly optimistic?
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Of course you are.
No government, especially this inept bunch of tw@ts would ever want a free and open review of anything, especially their own gold plated, platinum lined pensions.
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No government, especially this inept bunch of tw@ts would ever want a free and open review of anything, especially their own gold plated, platinum lined pensions.
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As for the MOD denying that members of the armed forces are paid less than the minimum wage (£5.35/hr), do the sums yourself and work it out. We are expected to be on call to go anywhere and do anything 365/24/7: take you annual salary and see what that works out to per hour ...... based on being on call 24/7, I believe you have to get the mid Sqn Ldr bracket before you make £5.35/hr.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Believe it if you will. If true, it proves, once again, that the claims that the review is independent is a farce. if false, and spin, it will allow them to claim they had the best of intentions but the final decision was out of their hands.
And that´s before Gordon and the treasury get into the act....
Soldiers in warzones to be freed from paying income tax
And that´s before Gordon and the treasury get into the act....
Soldiers in warzones to be freed from paying income tax
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Believe it when it happens, this will never get past the Treasury and I'm afraid the media will have forgotten all about it by the end of the week. Anybody know a tame MP to push the issue now that Parliament is (almost) back from their well deserved summer break?
Believe it when it happens, this will never get past the Treasury and I'm afraid the media will have forgotten all about it by the end of the week. Anybody know a tame MP to push the issue now that Parliament is (almost) back from their well deserved summer break?
Well this will be interesting - I wait with baited breath to see which way they have jumped (or as usual fall flat on their fat faces)
At the risk of sounding gash, I will be hoping for tax free pay for those on ops as opposed to the across the board large pay rises for all junior ranks. To me, the later option has 2 huge flaws which significantly outweigh the implications of differentiation of pay which the high paid help seem to be concerned about. Firstly, what about those that do not fall into that bracket of 'junior ranks' but spend lots of time away on ops? Secondly, it rewards failure to perform; whilst there are those by virtue of their jobs that do not go away, there are too many that are too unfit, too incompetent or just plain lazy to go away. Why should they get the same benefits as those that are spending an increasing amount of time away from home?
You may not like the idea of differentiating between those on the front line and those spending every night at home in the pub, (their biggest risk being from a case of mild indegestion from their afternoon of troughing doughnuts), but in a time of an ever increasing operational tempo it is the only right thing to do.
At the risk of sounding gash, I will be hoping for tax free pay for those on ops as opposed to the across the board large pay rises for all junior ranks. To me, the later option has 2 huge flaws which significantly outweigh the implications of differentiation of pay which the high paid help seem to be concerned about. Firstly, what about those that do not fall into that bracket of 'junior ranks' but spend lots of time away on ops? Secondly, it rewards failure to perform; whilst there are those by virtue of their jobs that do not go away, there are too many that are too unfit, too incompetent or just plain lazy to go away. Why should they get the same benefits as those that are spending an increasing amount of time away from home?
You may not like the idea of differentiating between those on the front line and those spending every night at home in the pub, (their biggest risk being from a case of mild indegestion from their afternoon of troughing doughnuts), but in a time of an ever increasing operational tempo it is the only right thing to do.
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I agree wholeheartedly with Melchett 01 on this point, the folks at the very pointy end should be getting the tax break, but they also need the improvements in kit and support across the board, and that will hurt the budget.
If the tax break should happen then the dear old gov't will say 'we have done all we can' and things on the ground won't actually get any better. As for the issue of Selly Oak being open to all and sundry with a grudge against uniforms
Out of curiosity, can anyone give a sound, reasoned argument against the tax break for in-theatre personnel only?
If the tax break should happen then the dear old gov't will say 'we have done all we can' and things on the ground won't actually get any better. As for the issue of Selly Oak being open to all and sundry with a grudge against uniforms
Out of curiosity, can anyone give a sound, reasoned argument against the tax break for in-theatre personnel only?
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Oh its not all bad. Under JPA don't you get paid an extra day per year?
366 days per year/12 being your monthly pay.
Please correct me if that's wrong, i've yet to enjoy the wonder that is JPA but soon will be!
I've worked out that I got paid more hourly when I delivered free newspapers as a kid than I do now 19 years on
and that doesn't allow for inflation!
366 days per year/12 being your monthly pay.
Please correct me if that's wrong, i've yet to enjoy the wonder that is JPA but soon will be!
I've worked out that I got paid more hourly when I delivered free newspapers as a kid than I do now 19 years on
and that doesn't allow for inflation!
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Cameron Already had my vote, I just hope this is not a false promise.
He also commented on the fact that Rapists, Murderers and Paedos get twice as long on the phone to their loved ones as we do. There is noo Labour Social Justice for you.
Cameron Already had my vote, I just hope this is not a false promise.
Mr Cameron wrote in The Sun: “We’re asking a lot of our servicemen and women. But are we doing enough for them and their families? Our troops are being sent on more and more missions, in more and more distant lands — but they still have to pay income tax while on operations. The Government say this is all fair. I say it isn’t.
So when we put together our Forces manifesto, we’re going to look at ways to sort these problems out.”
So when we put together our Forces manifesto, we’re going to look at ways to sort these problems out.”
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I'll believe this when I see it. I'm betting the term "cost neutral" is going to be toted somewhere along the line - MQ charges seem to be a recent favourite for the ever-grabbing "left hand" - they've already risen almost 30% in the last 3 years.
So how high up the chain does "lower ranks" refer to - again, being a betting man, I'd put money on it NOT applying to JOs - so no tax relief for commisioned aircrew on det, despite doing exactly the same amount of work in exactly the same conditions as our back-enders. Another to append to the list of "push" factors...
I simply cannot, no matter how hard I try, make myself believe that this is as good a piece of news as is being toted. Cynical?
So how high up the chain does "lower ranks" refer to - again, being a betting man, I'd put money on it NOT applying to JOs - so no tax relief for commisioned aircrew on det, despite doing exactly the same amount of work in exactly the same conditions as our back-enders. Another to append to the list of "push" factors...
I simply cannot, no matter how hard I try, make myself believe that this is as good a piece of news as is being toted. Cynical?
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So how high up the chain does "lower ranks" refer to - again, being a betting man, I'd put money on it NOT applying to JOs - so no tax relief for commisioned aircrew on det, despite doing exactly the same amount of work in exactly the same conditions as our back-enders. Another to append to the list of "push" factors...
Anyway (bit of thread creep) hasn't the standard of MQs improved by 30% in the last 3 years, justifying the increased rent?
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Returning to the thread:
Without wishing to sound like a 70's Trade Unionist, what about our differentials?. Depending upon the definition of "lower ranks", a pay rise for "lower ranks" has the potential to erode differentials even further than they already have been, with the concomitant disincentive to work towards promotion.
My favoured option, FWIW, is the tax break for those on Ops. This would have the benefit of targetting the benefit at those incurring the danger/inconvenience but would inevitably lead to a huge influx into Opearational theatres, of very senior visitors wanting to qualify. (Believe me, it happens with the US Forces.)