U.S Flag ?
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From: by the Great Salt Lake, USA
Far more than taxes
http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html
Read the full text... there are 28 grievances listed... only one of which has anything to do with taxes.
Read the full text... there are 28 grievances listed... only one of which has anything to do with taxes.
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From: Downeast
In case you did not read the text as linked....
We suggested the King and his men to sod off basically!
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
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From: Downeast
Crossbleed,
As I recall the original population of that island called Oz have some complaints about the way they were treated as well.
At least in this country we treat their reservations as states and provide payments to them. In addition, most of the Indian Tribes have Casinos now where they continue to scalp the White Man but do so much more profitably and legally.
Did you trespassers in Oz do the same for your Aboriginal People?
As I recall the original population of that island called Oz have some complaints about the way they were treated as well.
At least in this country we treat their reservations as states and provide payments to them. In addition, most of the Indian Tribes have Casinos now where they continue to scalp the White Man but do so much more profitably and legally.
Did you trespassers in Oz do the same for your Aboriginal People?
Yeah actually, we do almost precisely that. An erstwhile welfare state created on land nobody white ever wanted.
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From: expat@large
Aboriginal law applies to many parts of the continent, and they have a great deal of autonomy over the running of this land. They don't turn it into Vegas though, I don't know why exactly. (no, they have television, so I've lied there)
The slaughter of the original inhabitants was very organised and in one state led to virtual extinction. But they were less practiced in the art of warfare compared to the North-American Indians, and this fact meant their enslavery (for want of a better word) was so comprehensive.
I deleted my original post on this topic so for those wondering what the hell is going on, SASless is replying to an invisible post.
The slaughter of the original inhabitants was very organised and in one state led to virtual extinction. But they were less practiced in the art of warfare compared to the North-American Indians, and this fact meant their enslavery (for want of a better word) was so comprehensive.
I deleted my original post on this topic so for those wondering what the hell is going on, SASless is replying to an invisible post.
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From: Britain
The Yanks (affectionate term before anyone kicks off) are very proud of their flag, and there are a number of rules regarding it's use and disposal, which I discovered having bought one as a souvenir (strange habit, I know) when I visited the U.S., when a a small pamphlet fell out the packaging. Aside from the usual non-flying during hours of darkness that most countries observe, I beleive it should also not be flown in the rain (cue digs about the colours running) and should only be disposed of by burning (and my memory is a little shaky, but I think it was recommended that it be done by a Veterans group? I'm sure SASless can clarify). Anyway, back to the point of the thread, when hung horizontally (say over a podium at a sports event) most countries just turn their flag 1/4 turn clockwise, but the U.S. flag is turned and reversed, so that the stars remain in the left hand upper.
*Geek mode to 'OFF'*
*Geek mode to 'OFF'*
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From: Downeast
Crossroad,
As to the "why"....beyond it being the specified display in that manner...I have no clue as to why. Over the years I have always found that particular situation a bit confusing. I will keep looking for the pukka gen on that.
As to retiring a flag....burning in a reverent and dignified manner is the approved method. Veterans groups, fraternal orders like the Elks and such, Boy Scout and Girl Scout groups often times offer this service.
My American Legion post maintains a "Flag Drop" for public use and periodically we will have a Flag Retirement Ceremony and retire the flags left there. It is not unusual to visit Schools and other Youth Organizations and have the kids participate in the ceremony.
Here's a link that has the rules regarding display and respect for the flag.
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html#1
As to the "why"....beyond it being the specified display in that manner...I have no clue as to why. Over the years I have always found that particular situation a bit confusing. I will keep looking for the pukka gen on that.
As to retiring a flag....burning in a reverent and dignified manner is the approved method. Veterans groups, fraternal orders like the Elks and such, Boy Scout and Girl Scout groups often times offer this service.
My American Legion post maintains a "Flag Drop" for public use and periodically we will have a Flag Retirement Ceremony and retire the flags left there. It is not unusual to visit Schools and other Youth Organizations and have the kids participate in the ceremony.
Here's a link that has the rules regarding display and respect for the flag.
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html#1
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From: Spain
SASLess,
I have a great affection for things American - especially the gorgeous Californian girl I rescued from all those palm trees and married. I like the reverence your flag is held in, I wish we Brits could show more respect and awe for our flag and hence our nation. I dislike the sneering attitude shown by many here towards displays of patriotism. I for one am proud of what the UK stands for and has done in defence of freedom around the world. I'm also mighty glad we choose to stand with the US on most issues.
I have a great affection for things American - especially the gorgeous Californian girl I rescued from all those palm trees and married. I like the reverence your flag is held in, I wish we Brits could show more respect and awe for our flag and hence our nation. I dislike the sneering attitude shown by many here towards displays of patriotism. I for one am proud of what the UK stands for and has done in defence of freedom around the world. I'm also mighty glad we choose to stand with the US on most issues.
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From: Dublin,Ireland
Hi all
Next time you stroll out to a Ryanair 737, see how many of them are apparently "flagged" in the Ivory Coast.I was always led to believe that flags are painted on aircraft or vehicles or clothing as if a flagstaff was on the left, regardless of whether the carrying item was advancing or retreating., that is, either left or right side, it doesn't matter, it must be orientated correctly.The flag-folding-into-a-triangle thing has come into vogue over here for the burial of military deceased.I think it's a fashion statement more than an honorific.
regards
TDD
Next time you stroll out to a Ryanair 737, see how many of them are apparently "flagged" in the Ivory Coast.I was always led to believe that flags are painted on aircraft or vehicles or clothing as if a flagstaff was on the left, regardless of whether the carrying item was advancing or retreating., that is, either left or right side, it doesn't matter, it must be orientated correctly.The flag-folding-into-a-triangle thing has come into vogue over here for the burial of military deceased.I think it's a fashion statement more than an honorific.
regards
TDD
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From: Tennessee - Smoky Mountains
SASLess,
I have a great affection for things American - especially the gorgeous Californian girl I rescued from all those palm trees and married. I like the reverence your flag is held in, I wish we Brits could show more respect and awe for our flag and hence our nation. I dislike the sneering attitude shown by many here towards displays of patriotism. I for one am proud of what the UK stands for and has done in defence of freedom around the world. I'm also mighty glad we choose to stand with the US on most issues.
I have a great affection for things American - especially the gorgeous Californian girl I rescued from all those palm trees and married. I like the reverence your flag is held in, I wish we Brits could show more respect and awe for our flag and hence our nation. I dislike the sneering attitude shown by many here towards displays of patriotism. I for one am proud of what the UK stands for and has done in defence of freedom around the world. I'm also mighty glad we choose to stand with the US on most issues.
(Especially the bit about Californians needing rescuing!)
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From: Quite near 'An aerodrome somewhere in England'
Ah - so I guess a flag 'borrowed' from the Barksdale O-Club after GV and then hidden amongst the DetCo's golf bats, before being freed to grace the 35 Sqn Crew room doesn't really meet the requirements....
It was one of those posh ones too - all the gold frilly bits, a 2-piece flag pole with an eagle on the top and a ****king heavy base plate. Stan never did know - we'd promised to take his golf bats home and 'old glory' looked like an umbrella when stashed amongst them. The base plate was stowed in some anonymous cardboard box and labelled 'Calc 3 spares' or something similar.
When 35 folded, the flag was auctioned off at the final pi$$-up. I wonder where it ended up??
It was one of those posh ones too - all the gold frilly bits, a 2-piece flag pole with an eagle on the top and a ****king heavy base plate. Stan never did know - we'd promised to take his golf bats home and 'old glory' looked like an umbrella when stashed amongst them. The base plate was stowed in some anonymous cardboard box and labelled 'Calc 3 spares' or something similar.
When 35 folded, the flag was auctioned off at the final pi$$-up. I wonder where it ended up??
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From: About 1 mile from WOD ndb
"Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"
-- which would indicate that the flag was indeed flown through the hours of darkness.
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Beag's
From all the little adventures you post here I have to wonder if her majesty ever received a full days work out of you? How many stars were on the flag you lifted, only 48? I know its been a while for you since active duty.
From all the little adventures you post here I have to wonder if her majesty ever received a full days work out of you? How many stars were on the flag you lifted, only 48? I know its been a while for you since active duty.
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From: Downeast
Derek,
It is quite permissible for the flag to be flown at night....the only requirement is it must be properly illuminated.
As the fort was under bombardment by armed forces of a small nation with great ambition.....we felt it right and proper to keep it flying at the time.
It is quite permissible for the flag to be flown at night....the only requirement is it must be properly illuminated.
As the fort was under bombardment by armed forces of a small nation with great ambition.....we felt it right and proper to keep it flying at the time.
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Let my people go......
And yet we, the US, are castigated for holding some nasty SOBs in Gitmo.
Have you no sense of decency, sir? None at all?
