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In years past the RNR/RMR/TA/RAuxF fulfilled part of the role to mesh between the Armed Forces and the civilian world. Options for Change also brought about a significant decrease in the numbers in the volunteer reserves, while the more recent "rule" that TA at least will be mobilised once every three years for six months or more has prompted many to leave, and far fewer to enlist, at a time when what we actually need is more, with wider skills.
The RN and the RAF have in the process reduced their geographical spread of bases and concentrated their remaining assets at super-bases, thus exacerbating the impact of reduced regular troop numbers.
The end result is that most civilians will have far more contact (and perhaps their only contact) with the military via the SCC/ACF/ATC - particularly the latter (the largest cadet org in UK), which is now numerically larger than the RAF by several thousand.
The RN and the RAF have in the process reduced their geographical spread of bases and concentrated their remaining assets at super-bases, thus exacerbating the impact of reduced regular troop numbers.
The end result is that most civilians will have far more contact (and perhaps their only contact) with the military via the SCC/ACF/ATC - particularly the latter (the largest cadet org in UK), which is now numerically larger than the RAF by several thousand.
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WEARING OF UNIFORM IN PUBLIC
In Oct 03 2SL/CNH issued a Galaxy Briefing Note (32/03) promoting the increased wearing of uniform in public in the UK.
Particularly in this year of the Trafalgar 200 Bicentenary celebrations ACNS is keen to emphasise that, within the bounds of the guidance and judgement advice contained in Galaxy Briefing Note 32/03, wearing uniform in public is to be encouraged and, in particular, individuals should take the opportunity to wear uniform when attending public official functions.
Accordingly, as an example of an occasion when uniform should be worn, and further to previous advice, CGRM has directed recently, with First Sea Lord’s agreement, that the rig for the Mountbatten Festival of Music for all serving members of the Naval Service who are attending, as either hosts or guests, is mess undress (with miniatures only).
In Oct 03 2SL/CNH issued a Galaxy Briefing Note (32/03) promoting the increased wearing of uniform in public in the UK.
Particularly in this year of the Trafalgar 200 Bicentenary celebrations ACNS is keen to emphasise that, within the bounds of the guidance and judgement advice contained in Galaxy Briefing Note 32/03, wearing uniform in public is to be encouraged and, in particular, individuals should take the opportunity to wear uniform when attending public official functions.
Accordingly, as an example of an occasion when uniform should be worn, and further to previous advice, CGRM has directed recently, with First Sea Lord’s agreement, that the rig for the Mountbatten Festival of Music for all serving members of the Naval Service who are attending, as either hosts or guests, is mess undress (with miniatures only).
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Wader 2 - to any one reading this who is not in the military it is absolutely meaningless. What was "cymruflier" explaing earlier about a great divide? I think you have proved his point
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You know what you said is not true, I accept the 1/3d principal.
So I should see someone in uniform now and again.
I do - the ATC and the Royal Welsh beating the retreat at Caernarfon
Your one third rule just does not stand up.
I want what you want - armed forces that I can rely on. Well trained and well equipped. I don't want to be confrontational - how do we get there?
You know what you said is not true, I accept the 1/3d principal.
So I should see someone in uniform now and again.
I do - the ATC and the Royal Welsh beating the retreat at Caernarfon
Your one third rule just does not stand up.
I want what you want - armed forces that I can rely on. Well trained and well equipped. I don't want to be confrontational - how do we get there?
And with more conflict now than in the cold war days, there's no one home!
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Agree it is jargonesse of the worst kind.
PS it was also the only 'hit' I got when I did a search. No wonder we are confused as well.
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For the purposes of making sense of:
"WEARING OF UNIFORM IN PUBLIC
In Oct 03 2SL/CNH issued a Galaxy Briefing Note (32/03) promoting the increased wearing of uniform in public in the UK.
Particularly in this year of the Trafalgar 200 Bicentenary celebrations ACNS is keen to emphasise that, within the bounds of the guidance and judgement advice contained in Galaxy Briefing Note 32/03, wearing uniform in public is to be encouraged and, in particular, individuals should take the opportunity to wear uniform when attending public official functions.
Accordingly, as an example of an occasion when uniform should be worn, and further to previous advice, CGRM has directed recently, with First Sea Lord’s agreement, that the rig for the Mountbatten Festival of Music for all serving members of the Naval Service who are attending, as either hosts or guests, is mess undress (with miniatures only)."
Simply replace "2SL/CNH/ACNS/CGRM/1SL" with "the top brass"
Since it was a purely internal RN/RM memo, it is reasonable to assume that the recipients understood it without the need for very small words, or as in the more junior services, lots of pictures
"WEARING OF UNIFORM IN PUBLIC
In Oct 03 2SL/CNH issued a Galaxy Briefing Note (32/03) promoting the increased wearing of uniform in public in the UK.
Particularly in this year of the Trafalgar 200 Bicentenary celebrations ACNS is keen to emphasise that, within the bounds of the guidance and judgement advice contained in Galaxy Briefing Note 32/03, wearing uniform in public is to be encouraged and, in particular, individuals should take the opportunity to wear uniform when attending public official functions.
Accordingly, as an example of an occasion when uniform should be worn, and further to previous advice, CGRM has directed recently, with First Sea Lord’s agreement, that the rig for the Mountbatten Festival of Music for all serving members of the Naval Service who are attending, as either hosts or guests, is mess undress (with miniatures only)."
Simply replace "2SL/CNH/ACNS/CGRM/1SL" with "the top brass"
Since it was a purely internal RN/RM memo, it is reasonable to assume that the recipients understood it without the need for very small words, or as in the more junior services, lots of pictures
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Thank you all. I didn't expect any replies other than in the vernacular - obviously there were one or two of those. My confrontational post desrved them, as did I.
The question remains - how do we support you?
I fully understand the uniform bit. I for one would think twice before wearing a hoody and running for the tube - never mind you. What a cock up, as I understand it all the shots were fired at CLOSE range - like six inches - two rounds are unaccounted for. ie they were not in the body. So where did they go? How can this happen with trained fire arms personnel? Provocative and diversionary - so I will leave it there.
To day I wrote to the Daily Telegraph congratulating Lord Guthrie on his statement. If they publish it you may be able to find it. On the day after the Nimrod crash I sent a formal complaint to the BBc about their
coverage in the immediate aftermath.
By an accident of birth I am of Welsh decent, by an accident of divorce I live in Wales. My chances of changing things thro' the ballot box are less than those of a Sunni in Bagdad.
Which is precisely what the Government intends. Tomorrow I will write to the Prime Minister (I respect the office if not the incumbent) to ask a simple question.
Sorry for a long post but can I leave you with this:-
Yesterday a good friend of mine who had just put her mother and mother in law into granny farms and was told that her 50 year old sister was going PDQ cried on seeing the pictures in our very local rag of the crew of a certain Nimrod'
As to the Wesh Air Force?
Thomas Edward Jones - Northumberland Fusiliers. Twice reported missing believed KIA. Tied to a gun carriage as field punishment for saying in response to a pep talk that he was there to defend his family and not his King.
Thomas Edward Jones - RFC and then RAF. (Eldest son)
C L Jones (Fl/lft) Navigator on the first thousand bomber raid whilst serving at an OTU after 30 ops, my father.
Ronnie Jones - not Tangmere I admit - but Biggin Hill. Contracted TB after taking a round in the flesh. Half brother to my father. Allthough he never knew that until the day of his mothers funeral. **** happened even then - but it was usually hiiden.
Gerald D Jones, now over eighty - armourer.
Every one of the above served "doon the pit" until they were old enough to serve.
It is not a matter for me alone to try to bring worlds within worlds into one.
Recruitment and retention are falling - now there is a surprise!
Yet there has never been such a time when so many have been asking "What did you do in the war Grandad".
If you want to start a forum that allows us to come together then I will support it any which way I can. If not I tried.
The question remains - how do we support you?
I fully understand the uniform bit. I for one would think twice before wearing a hoody and running for the tube - never mind you. What a cock up, as I understand it all the shots were fired at CLOSE range - like six inches - two rounds are unaccounted for. ie they were not in the body. So where did they go? How can this happen with trained fire arms personnel? Provocative and diversionary - so I will leave it there.
To day I wrote to the Daily Telegraph congratulating Lord Guthrie on his statement. If they publish it you may be able to find it. On the day after the Nimrod crash I sent a formal complaint to the BBc about their
coverage in the immediate aftermath.
By an accident of birth I am of Welsh decent, by an accident of divorce I live in Wales. My chances of changing things thro' the ballot box are less than those of a Sunni in Bagdad.
Which is precisely what the Government intends. Tomorrow I will write to the Prime Minister (I respect the office if not the incumbent) to ask a simple question.
Sorry for a long post but can I leave you with this:-
Yesterday a good friend of mine who had just put her mother and mother in law into granny farms and was told that her 50 year old sister was going PDQ cried on seeing the pictures in our very local rag of the crew of a certain Nimrod'
As to the Wesh Air Force?
Thomas Edward Jones - Northumberland Fusiliers. Twice reported missing believed KIA. Tied to a gun carriage as field punishment for saying in response to a pep talk that he was there to defend his family and not his King.
Thomas Edward Jones - RFC and then RAF. (Eldest son)
C L Jones (Fl/lft) Navigator on the first thousand bomber raid whilst serving at an OTU after 30 ops, my father.
Ronnie Jones - not Tangmere I admit - but Biggin Hill. Contracted TB after taking a round in the flesh. Half brother to my father. Allthough he never knew that until the day of his mothers funeral. **** happened even then - but it was usually hiiden.
Gerald D Jones, now over eighty - armourer.
Every one of the above served "doon the pit" until they were old enough to serve.
It is not a matter for me alone to try to bring worlds within worlds into one.
Recruitment and retention are falling - now there is a surprise!
Yet there has never been such a time when so many have been asking "What did you do in the war Grandad".
If you want to start a forum that allows us to come together then I will support it any which way I can. If not I tried.
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We are invisible because:
a higher percentage of us are probably deployed for longer
there are actually less of us, so have to spread out a bit
there are less bases so fewer communities to integrate with (or steal their women)
the bases that are left are nowhere near the average town or city, so most of the populus never see us, never mind at work
we come from a generation where our parents didn't serve in the war or do national service (exept you old pharts)
There are many more angles to it, but we are not on the doorstep so we're not visible. A thread on a forum won't change that.
a higher percentage of us are probably deployed for longer
there are actually less of us, so have to spread out a bit
there are less bases so fewer communities to integrate with (or steal their women)
the bases that are left are nowhere near the average town or city, so most of the populus never see us, never mind at work
we come from a generation where our parents didn't serve in the war or do national service (exept you old pharts)
There are many more angles to it, but we are not on the doorstep so we're not visible. A thread on a forum won't change that.
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Talk about knitting patterns if you will and the daughters comment was both expected and fatuous.
I live near Valley and regularly see Hawks, Nimrods, VC10's (I think), gunships - the SAR chaps (122) and Hercs doing the terrain bit. NEVER ONCE have I heard a complaint.
I return to my original post - Much Binding in the Marsh.
Looking at most of your threads they all go the same way. Under paid, over there, misundersood, unloved and unwanted.
YOU are part of a self fullfilling prophesey. THEY don't want us so WE will go under the radar. That is your choice - if we don't know you how can se salute you?
I am trying to tell you that most of us are glad that you are there, happy with what you do and know that it must be done.
Last year out in Caernarfon bay in my boat fishing a Hawk from Valley returning from a sortie at PenLlyn saw me and.......rat...a...tat...... sank me. Nice one son. I bet I enjoyed it more than you did. I would have swapped places any day of the week,
PC is not a given, it can only exist for as long as the wolves outnumber the rabbits and until the rabbits learn to bark and bite.
From your posts (general) I can tell where you think the world will go. It will - but not because of predestination but because of your fatalism.
We need you all. Always have and always will. Change will not come from the top down until it is backs to the wall time.
Lord Guthrie has spoken on your behalf - support him. That is 30 000 of you plus kith and kin, say 120 000. Maybe another 120 000 of us out there. Then the other services - we are now over a million.
Support Guthrie for another reason - if you don't you undermine the current chiefs who will simply toe the line.
Speak quietly but own a big stick.
YOU could in the space of a few days send a million hits to the Telegraph comments page - wow. That might be democracy in action
I live near Valley and regularly see Hawks, Nimrods, VC10's (I think), gunships - the SAR chaps (122) and Hercs doing the terrain bit. NEVER ONCE have I heard a complaint.
I return to my original post - Much Binding in the Marsh.
Looking at most of your threads they all go the same way. Under paid, over there, misundersood, unloved and unwanted.
YOU are part of a self fullfilling prophesey. THEY don't want us so WE will go under the radar. That is your choice - if we don't know you how can se salute you?
I am trying to tell you that most of us are glad that you are there, happy with what you do and know that it must be done.
Last year out in Caernarfon bay in my boat fishing a Hawk from Valley returning from a sortie at PenLlyn saw me and.......rat...a...tat...... sank me. Nice one son. I bet I enjoyed it more than you did. I would have swapped places any day of the week,
PC is not a given, it can only exist for as long as the wolves outnumber the rabbits and until the rabbits learn to bark and bite.
From your posts (general) I can tell where you think the world will go. It will - but not because of predestination but because of your fatalism.
We need you all. Always have and always will. Change will not come from the top down until it is backs to the wall time.
Lord Guthrie has spoken on your behalf - support him. That is 30 000 of you plus kith and kin, say 120 000. Maybe another 120 000 of us out there. Then the other services - we are now over a million.
Support Guthrie for another reason - if you don't you undermine the current chiefs who will simply toe the line.
Speak quietly but own a big stick.
YOU could in the space of a few days send a million hits to the Telegraph comments page - wow. That might be democracy in action
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
<<I live near Valley and regularly see Hawks, Nimrods, VC10's (I think), gunships - the SAR chaps (122) and Hercs doing the terrain bit. NEVER ONCE have I heard a complaint.>>
Ah yes, that would be the Vickers Funbus. The one with the gun turret in the front.
And did you pick up the lead story in tonight's news? Chap in jail failed to take enough tablets to kill himself. Not that is PC.
Ah yes, that would be the Vickers Funbus. The one with the gun turret in the front.
And did you pick up the lead story in tonight's news? Chap in jail failed to take enough tablets to kill himself. Not that is PC.
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Beagle. Dim problem. S' dyty. Y eachh y dda? Like to run this one thro' spell cheque? Os gwellychyn 'tha.
Danke mein friend
Post me the results.
Under Milk Wood - not worthy of comment really.
Keep on truckin. Not the point really.
I will go away - honest.
Danke mein friend
Post me the results.
Under Milk Wood - not worthy of comment really.
Keep on truckin. Not the point really.
I will go away - honest.
