British NVG Kit found in Hezbollah Bunkers
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British NVG Kit found in Hezbollah Bunkers
British NVG Kit found in Hezbollah Bunkers Since they have the serial numbers, it should not take more than a few hours to confirm if they were part of the consignment supplied to Iran or not.
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When the export was agreed, Mike O’Brien, then Junior Minister at the Foreign Office, told the Commons: “The goods are for the use on the Iran-Afghanistan border against heroin smugglers.” He said there was “no risk of these goods being diverted for use by the Iranian military”.
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I think it was Bill Hicks who said it best:
* "You know we armed Iraq. I wondered about that too, you know. During the Persian Gulf war, those intelligence reports would come out: 'Iraq: incredible weapons – incredible weapons.' How do you know that? 'Uh, well ... we looked at the receipts.'"
* "I'm so sick of arming the world and then sending troops over to destroy the ******* arms, you know what I mean? We keep arming these little countries, then we go and blow the **** out of 'em. We're like the bullies of the world, you know. We're like Jack Palance in the movie Shane, throwing the pistol at the sheep herder's feet: 'Pick it up.' 'I don't wanna pick it up mister, you'll shoot me.' 'Pick up the gun.' 'Mister, I don't want no trouble, huh. I just came down town here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about 10 rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, mister.' 'Pick up the gun.' Boom, boom. 'You all saw him. He had a gun.'"
If a 'Junior Minister' was that naive - well he wasn't was he? A few years ago - I heard a Minister saying that selling Hawk aeroplanes to Indonesia was perfectly OK and they would not be used to bomb people in East Timor or such because Hawk jets are training aircraft.....
It gets so you just give up.
Heroin is such a big problem isn't it? All these heroin addicts running around - planting bombs and such.........
* "You know we armed Iraq. I wondered about that too, you know. During the Persian Gulf war, those intelligence reports would come out: 'Iraq: incredible weapons – incredible weapons.' How do you know that? 'Uh, well ... we looked at the receipts.'"
* "I'm so sick of arming the world and then sending troops over to destroy the ******* arms, you know what I mean? We keep arming these little countries, then we go and blow the **** out of 'em. We're like the bullies of the world, you know. We're like Jack Palance in the movie Shane, throwing the pistol at the sheep herder's feet: 'Pick it up.' 'I don't wanna pick it up mister, you'll shoot me.' 'Pick up the gun.' 'Mister, I don't want no trouble, huh. I just came down town here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about 10 rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, mister.' 'Pick up the gun.' Boom, boom. 'You all saw him. He had a gun.'"
If a 'Junior Minister' was that naive - well he wasn't was he? A few years ago - I heard a Minister saying that selling Hawk aeroplanes to Indonesia was perfectly OK and they would not be used to bomb people in East Timor or such because Hawk jets are training aircraft.....
It gets so you just give up.
Heroin is such a big problem isn't it? All these heroin addicts running around - planting bombs and such.........
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Originally Posted by Load Toad
I think it was Bill Hicks who said it best:
* "You know we armed Iraq. I wondered about that too, you know. During the Persian Gulf war, those intelligence reports would come out: 'Iraq: incredible weapons – incredible weapons.' How do you know that? 'Uh, well ... we looked at the receipts.'"
* "You know we armed Iraq. I wondered about that too, you know. During the Persian Gulf war, those intelligence reports would come out: 'Iraq: incredible weapons – incredible weapons.' How do you know that? 'Uh, well ... we looked at the receipts.'"
We did sell Iran Rapier though, that could come back to haunt us.
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Originally Posted by FormerFlake
The Brittish government had tons of receipts for all the Migs, Mirrages, SAMs, HIPs, Hinds, AK47s, ZSUs, Roland etc it sold to the Iraqis. Or are you talking about the Hunters we sold them donkey's years ago?
We did sell Iran Rapier though, that could come back to haunt us.
We did sell Iran Rapier though, that could come back to haunt us.
I'm sure we sold them a few tanks and helicopters as well.
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This old canrd keeps coming up. I think yoou`ll find the vast majority were from Russia, China and France. A handfull of US civil helicopters are in there, but no British. You´ll also find that all the latest generation ATGM, rockets and other minitions used by Hezbollah - who are, by the way, recognised by the UN as a terrorist organisation, not a state, NGO or charity - are Russian built and were sold to Syria and Iran........
The point here is that the UK NVG equipment was provided to Iran, through the UN, for peaceful customs/anti-drug purposes. It ended up in the hands of a terrorist organisation on the Israeli border. I, for one, would be interested to known how and if the UN is going to do anything about it....
And yes, that is little old Denmark up ahead of the USA and even Switzerland ahead of the UK.....
The point here is that the UK NVG equipment was provided to Iran, through the UN, for peaceful customs/anti-drug purposes. It ended up in the hands of a terrorist organisation on the Israeli border. I, for one, would be interested to known how and if the UN is going to do anything about it....
And yes, that is little old Denmark up ahead of the USA and even Switzerland ahead of the UK.....
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Orac you'll only upset people posting such propaganda, everyone knows we sold Iraq all the so-called Soviet and French tanks, planes and missiles as part of a Zionist plot in association with the Anglo-Saxon military-industrial complex to discredit the peace loving governments of France, Iran and Russia
Thanks for saving me from the effort of finding the chart again - Bill Hicks? Who he?
Ohh, oooh, not only did we sell them Hunters back in the mists of time, but Furies too! Shame on you!
Thanks for saving me from the effort of finding the chart again - Bill Hicks? Who he?
Ohh, oooh, not only did we sell them Hunters back in the mists of time, but Furies too! Shame on you!
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It's a complex problem.
You know that if you don't sell the weapon systems, the Chinese, Russians or French, who have no scruples on the matter, will. Then you've lost the sale, the follow on sales, and access to the customer nation's military.
In addition, by selling your own weapons, you are better able to counter tactics if they're ever used against you, have control over performance configurations, and can limit the capability to what you intend to transfer. I also like the idea of embedded technology that can render performance degrades in case they become hostile.
You know that if you don't sell the weapon systems, the Chinese, Russians or French, who have no scruples on the matter, will. Then you've lost the sale, the follow on sales, and access to the customer nation's military.
In addition, by selling your own weapons, you are better able to counter tactics if they're ever used against you, have control over performance configurations, and can limit the capability to what you intend to transfer. I also like the idea of embedded technology that can render performance degrades in case they become hostile.
Just remind me which countries are on the UN Security Council again - the permanent members if it is a hard question.
We must sell weapons because if we don't sell someone else wil and we'll lose the sale. We must fight drugs because drugs are illegal. We must back 'our' sympathetic friends in these difficult places until it's time to change our allegances to whatever is important this year.
Don't worry - you can tar me as some kind of left wing liberal fudge packer if it suits you but it won't alter whats happening.
We must sell weapons because if we don't sell someone else wil and we'll lose the sale. We must fight drugs because drugs are illegal. We must back 'our' sympathetic friends in these difficult places until it's time to change our allegances to whatever is important this year.
Don't worry - you can tar me as some kind of left wing liberal fudge packer if it suits you but it won't alter whats happening.
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Have a radio receiver in them so that if they're used against you you press a button and they turn round fly back and destroy the launcher 
Considering the amount of oil under their feet....we best hope they do.
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Either some incredibly naive people in this world, or everyone thinks we still play the "keeping both sides armed without getting shot" game by Harrow and Eton rules. Alternative headlines are:"Merchants of Death" embarassed to be labelled as "Merchants of Death", Minister says 'we didn't know they would be used by the bad guys'; in other news, Joe Public is surprised that Britain PLC sells arms and munitions to anyone with a cheque book.