Iran Arms Hezbollah with Long Range Mx
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Iran Arms Hezbollah with Long Range Mx
Iran admits it gave Hezbollah missiles to strike all Israel
An Iranian MP who helped found the Hezbollah terrorist group has confirmed for the first time that Teheran has equipped it with long-range missiles capable of hitting "any target in Israel".
In a potentially ominous development that could lead to a further escalation of the conflict, the theocratic regime also gave implicit authorisation for the Lebanese guerilla group to strike Tel Aviv with the Zelzal-2 missiles, manufactured in Teheran.
"There are countries that have weapons but don't have the courage to use them," said Ali Akbar Mohtashemi-Pur, Iran's former ambassador to Damascus, who holds a government-appointed post as secretary-general to the Palestinian uprising (intifada) conference..........
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran has promised unstinting support for Hezbollah. "The main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime," he said last week.
An Iranian MP who helped found the Hezbollah terrorist group has confirmed for the first time that Teheran has equipped it with long-range missiles capable of hitting "any target in Israel".
In a potentially ominous development that could lead to a further escalation of the conflict, the theocratic regime also gave implicit authorisation for the Lebanese guerilla group to strike Tel Aviv with the Zelzal-2 missiles, manufactured in Teheran.
"There are countries that have weapons but don't have the courage to use them," said Ali Akbar Mohtashemi-Pur, Iran's former ambassador to Damascus, who holds a government-appointed post as secretary-general to the Palestinian uprising (intifada) conference..........
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran has promised unstinting support for Hezbollah. "The main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime," he said last week.
This being the case (and I have no doubt that it is) it kinda questions the logic of the Israeli push, to create a small buffer zone in South Lebanon and the enormous loss of civilian lives associated with that push. 
"There are countries that have weapons but don't have the courage to use them," said Ali Akbar Mohtashemi-Pur, Iran's former ambassador to Damascus, who holds a government-appointed post as secretary-general to the Palestinian uprising (intifada) conference..........
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran has promised unstinting support for Hezbollah. "The main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime," he said last week.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran has promised unstinting support for Hezbollah. "The main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime," he said last week.
Me thinks these Turds are right in the concept....just named the wrong countries!
If we think back to the last World War....we waged all out war to include dropping two Nukes.
I would suggest it is time to face reality and gear up for another confrontation with Evil.
Perhaps we should demonstrate what long range missiles are all about.
The next time the little Creep gets on his soapbox in Tehran....drop one on his head and follow it up with a leaflet drop advertising peace and politics as the way to the future and remind folks that talk of war can be unhealthy.
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Sorry to be stating the obvious but, where have you guys been? This must be the worst kept secret in the Mid-east since the Israeli's were denying any nukes at Demona
President Ijamapyjamabad has ranted and raved about vapourising Israel since he got into office, I don't understand how you think him saying in public what has been common knowledge will change anything on the ground vis a vee cause an escalation, more likely its going to put far more pressure on Syria to come clean as it faces pressure from the EU, and stands to lose any bargaining power it has left with the west to be seen as a more moderate voice.
IMHO these comments will help Ijamapyjamabad internally, but they will isolate Iran even further, perhaps to the point where he may have a revolution on his hands from the increasing numbers of well educated liberal Iranians.
Just my thoughts.
President Ijamapyjamabad has ranted and raved about vapourising Israel since he got into office, I don't understand how you think him saying in public what has been common knowledge will change anything on the ground vis a vee cause an escalation, more likely its going to put far more pressure on Syria to come clean as it faces pressure from the EU, and stands to lose any bargaining power it has left with the west to be seen as a more moderate voice.
IMHO these comments will help Ijamapyjamabad internally, but they will isolate Iran even further, perhaps to the point where he may have a revolution on his hands from the increasing numbers of well educated liberal Iranians.
Just my thoughts.
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I think its disgusting.
Thank God that no country with a large weapons industry is supplying the Israelis with weapons otherwise this thing could drag on for ages.
Thank God that no country with a large weapons industry is supplying the Israelis with weapons otherwise this thing could drag on for ages.
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Yer daddy wouldn't say that. 'Course it wasn't Israel in his time was it?
Yer daddy wouldn't say that. 'Course it wasn't Israel in his time was it?
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Oh THS you do tease so, not only is a country with a large weapons industry supplying Israel but the 51st state (GB) is allowing them to refuel their bomb laden planes on the way. Tony the poodle was heard to say ''woof woof yes George woof woof'' when asked to comment.
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Are people foolish enough to believe that if the United States stoped giving Israel weapons to defend itself that Hellbollah would stop attacking.
Does the term "rose tinted glasses" mean anything to you?
Does the term "rose tinted glasses" mean anything to you?
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"Final Solution"
If the US "stopped arming Israel", then the world would see the Iranians/Hezbollah/Hamas complete Adolph Hitler's dream... at least wherever they have influence!
While some in the UK, US, etc. (including self-described liberals and ultra-conservatives) would cheer this, it would mean that all of the so-widely-proclaimed BS about "Human Rights" and "we must prevent Genocide" is just the hot air that it is in actuality!
Most of those who shout those slogans for the cameras apply them very selectively in private, and their hypocrisy sickens me!
If you feel that the Nazi program of Jewish extermination was evil in Germany, then you must hold the same view of Muslim extermination of Jews in Israel/Palastine/(whatever you want to call it), or you are a hypocrit!
While some in the UK, US, etc. (including self-described liberals and ultra-conservatives) would cheer this, it would mean that all of the so-widely-proclaimed BS about "Human Rights" and "we must prevent Genocide" is just the hot air that it is in actuality!
Most of those who shout those slogans for the cameras apply them very selectively in private, and their hypocrisy sickens me!
If you feel that the Nazi program of Jewish extermination was evil in Germany, then you must hold the same view of Muslim extermination of Jews in Israel/Palastine/(whatever you want to call it), or you are a hypocrit!
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And your point is?.....
Really nothing new here. Israel/Jews under the cosh again, and witless liberal propaganda supports their demise. (Even though it means supporting the abhorrent Arab Islamists).
It won't end soon. Media will see to that....it is a great story! Sod the people dying, military or civil, they are only props on the media platform. The show must go on.
It won't end soon. Media will see to that....it is a great story! Sod the people dying, military or civil, they are only props on the media platform. The show must go on.
Let's see:
Hezbollah fire hundreds of rockets a year into Israel, all aimed at civilian centres, all designed to kill civilians.
Israel targets Hezbollah. Civilians die because Hezbollah hide amongst schools, apartment blocks and houses.
Hezbollah and their Iranian backers have sworn to drive the Israeli nation into the sea.
Hezbollah kidnapped several Israeli soldiers to provoke this crisis.
Hezbollah are armed and financed by Iran. Israel have their own backers.
Israel is fighting a war of survival.
Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. The people they are fighting are Islamic fascists.
I know which side I back in this nasty war.
Hezbollah fire hundreds of rockets a year into Israel, all aimed at civilian centres, all designed to kill civilians.
Israel targets Hezbollah. Civilians die because Hezbollah hide amongst schools, apartment blocks and houses.
Hezbollah and their Iranian backers have sworn to drive the Israeli nation into the sea.
Hezbollah kidnapped several Israeli soldiers to provoke this crisis.
Hezbollah are armed and financed by Iran. Israel have their own backers.
Israel is fighting a war of survival.
Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. The people they are fighting are Islamic fascists.
I know which side I back in this nasty war.
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Originally Posted by FJJP
Isn't it amazing the short memories that some people have?
I don't seem to remember the shouts of indignation when the US helped us during the Falklands war...
I don't seem to remember the shouts of indignation when the US helped us during the Falklands war...
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'Hezbollah kidnapped several Israeli soldiers to provoke this crisis.'
killing three others at the same time, hizbollah want samir qantar (kuntar) and two others back. anything else going on around those parts? do we still have gunboats?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/5211930.stm
killing three others at the same time, hizbollah want samir qantar (kuntar) and two others back. anything else going on around those parts? do we still have gunboats?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/5211930.stm
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What happens when the Hezbollah Resources run out?
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I have a terrible feeling that this is going to end badly for Israel - and therefore for the West - unless someone is willing to look reality in the face and stop this utterly senseless "war by degrees"- a repeat of the US debacle in Vietnam.
Hezbollah doesn't have to win to win this fight - it just has to survive, even as a pale, almost toothless shadow of former itself. The operative word being "almost” toothless. If - when - the UN has its way, as surely it will, and a ceasefire is called, all Hezbollah will require to have 'won' is to have one last rocket it can launch into Israel and one senior member to sit in front of a videocam and spout hatred on Al Jazeera - and the 'Arab Street' will do its usual and proclaim the whole sorry episode as an Arab victory. And in this case, they’ll be right.
Sadly, unless something quite radical is done, I suspect there will be far more than one rocket and one senior Hezbollah spokesman left with the UN has its way.
My prediction is a sad one: I predict that in ten years time, (and maybe sooner), people in the West are going to be saying: "Why in the world didn't the Western leaders of the day stop Hezbollah (read 'Iran') when it was still possible?"
I believe the man we should be blaming is Jimmy **** Carter. His utterly wet response to the kidnapping of the Tehran embassy staff back in 1979 set this whole sorry mess in motion, not helped years later by Bill Clinton's ducking and running any time the US military suffered a few casualties. The message the actions of both these men sent might have been missed by the vast majority in the West. It was not missed by the likes of OBL and President Alphabet in Iran.
If (I fear 'when') Hezbollah survives this war, I fear the whole dynamic of the current world balance will tilt - for Westerners, alarmingly in the wrong direction against what we all hold dear. These people don't simply want to be left alone in their 14th Century world - they want to destroy our way of life completely and impose their own on us.
In their defence, I suspect that as they sit around sipping their coffees and sucking on their sheeshas, they see Mr Bush's insistence on imposing Democracy on Iraq and Afghanistan as the West wanting to destroy their way of life and impose our way on life on them.
For students of history, the Israelis see want’s happening in Lebanon as a ‘1939 Poland’ moment, while most people in the West are seeing it a ‘1938 Czechoslovakia’ one, (where we’ll have Kofi Annan waving the ‘peace in our time’ scrap of paper instead of Neville Chamberlain). Sadly, for most of the leadership of Western Europe, (particularly France), it will always be a ‘1938 Czechoslovakia’ moment, whatever happens.
Hezbollah doesn't have to win to win this fight - it just has to survive, even as a pale, almost toothless shadow of former itself. The operative word being "almost” toothless. If - when - the UN has its way, as surely it will, and a ceasefire is called, all Hezbollah will require to have 'won' is to have one last rocket it can launch into Israel and one senior member to sit in front of a videocam and spout hatred on Al Jazeera - and the 'Arab Street' will do its usual and proclaim the whole sorry episode as an Arab victory. And in this case, they’ll be right.
Sadly, unless something quite radical is done, I suspect there will be far more than one rocket and one senior Hezbollah spokesman left with the UN has its way.
My prediction is a sad one: I predict that in ten years time, (and maybe sooner), people in the West are going to be saying: "Why in the world didn't the Western leaders of the day stop Hezbollah (read 'Iran') when it was still possible?"
I believe the man we should be blaming is Jimmy **** Carter. His utterly wet response to the kidnapping of the Tehran embassy staff back in 1979 set this whole sorry mess in motion, not helped years later by Bill Clinton's ducking and running any time the US military suffered a few casualties. The message the actions of both these men sent might have been missed by the vast majority in the West. It was not missed by the likes of OBL and President Alphabet in Iran.
If (I fear 'when') Hezbollah survives this war, I fear the whole dynamic of the current world balance will tilt - for Westerners, alarmingly in the wrong direction against what we all hold dear. These people don't simply want to be left alone in their 14th Century world - they want to destroy our way of life completely and impose their own on us.
In their defence, I suspect that as they sit around sipping their coffees and sucking on their sheeshas, they see Mr Bush's insistence on imposing Democracy on Iraq and Afghanistan as the West wanting to destroy their way of life and impose our way on life on them.
For students of history, the Israelis see want’s happening in Lebanon as a ‘1939 Poland’ moment, while most people in the West are seeing it a ‘1938 Czechoslovakia’ one, (where we’ll have Kofi Annan waving the ‘peace in our time’ scrap of paper instead of Neville Chamberlain). Sadly, for most of the leadership of Western Europe, (particularly France), it will always be a ‘1938 Czechoslovakia’ moment, whatever happens.
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This current fight is make or break for the Iranians too, and they know it, hence the amazing amount of money someone (I suspect the Iranian Government) is spending on equipping and financing Hizbollah. It can’t be cheap to have supplied enough hardware to allow sending off 100+ rockets a day into Israel, and I suspect we’ve going to see a few of the more sophisticated, longer range ones brought out over the next few days, as they up the ante. The brand new Russian anti tank missiles won’t have come cheap either. They must know that if Hizboolah (=they) lose this, their influence will slip considerably, maybe fatally for the Islamic Revolution that could have been stopped in its tracks back in 1979 if the Americans hadn’t pussy-footed around over the US embassy hostages.
When you see the problems the Russians are having with their own Muslim revolutionaries in Chechnya, you have to ask yourself what are thinking supplying such cutting-edge stuff to Iran and Syria. But if course, the mighty dollar/rouble has always spoken louder than ideology, (and of course, liberal apologists will say these weapons are just materializing magically in Lebanon). .
As has been mentioned above, it seems to me the Iranians have learnt quite a few lessons from what the US has and hasn’t done over the last 20 years. For instance, in Lebanon with Hizboolah, they’ve very successfully adopted the very same system the Americans used so effectively against the Russians in Afghanistan, but have the added advantage of being co-religionists with the Shiites of Lebanon and therefore they’re able to say a lot more convincingly that they have the interests of the Lebanese at heart than the Americans were to the Afghans.
Very few educated Lebanese in the cities want to see Lebanon become Iran West. (Unfortunately, the same can’t be said for many of the Lebanese rural population, which includes many of those ‘Australians’ we see being evacuated over the last day or two at Australian taxpayers’ expense.) However, but spending an inordinate amount of money on welfare as well as weapons, Hizbollah are gathering in quite a few, if not exactly converts, then sympathizers.
When you see the problems the Russians are having with their own Muslim revolutionaries in Chechnya, you have to ask yourself what are thinking supplying such cutting-edge stuff to Iran and Syria. But if course, the mighty dollar/rouble has always spoken louder than ideology, (and of course, liberal apologists will say these weapons are just materializing magically in Lebanon). .
As has been mentioned above, it seems to me the Iranians have learnt quite a few lessons from what the US has and hasn’t done over the last 20 years. For instance, in Lebanon with Hizboolah, they’ve very successfully adopted the very same system the Americans used so effectively against the Russians in Afghanistan, but have the added advantage of being co-religionists with the Shiites of Lebanon and therefore they’re able to say a lot more convincingly that they have the interests of the Lebanese at heart than the Americans were to the Afghans.
Very few educated Lebanese in the cities want to see Lebanon become Iran West. (Unfortunately, the same can’t be said for many of the Lebanese rural population, which includes many of those ‘Australians’ we see being evacuated over the last day or two at Australian taxpayers’ expense.) However, but spending an inordinate amount of money on welfare as well as weapons, Hizbollah are gathering in quite a few, if not exactly converts, then sympathizers.
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The phrase the "Sia Arc", was not invented by Blair, or even Bush. It was first used by king Abdullah and then by the King of saudi Arabia and other Sunni leaders. The "main in the arab high street" might now have respect for hezbollah, but they and their backers are scaring the Sunni intelligentsia ****less. This is by an Egyptian born Middle East specialist, who actually thinks Israel should declare war on Syria as the only way to stop their advance....
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