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I was involved (slightly) in the original installation of the first computer systems in SCAF, and we built in a 10% loading to ensure that there were always some left after the last one had gone! Not as daft as it sounds, but I'm sure it didnt survive subsequent re-writes.
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My dad was ground crew in the RAF during WW2.
He served in the UK, Aden, India, Burma, Malaysia, Singapore and Ceylon.
His legs are covered in scar tissue from leeches. He went through the most awful times and saw pals die. And yet his abiding memory was the dreadful feeling when the ciggy ration didn't arrive.
In north Burma the yanks had their PX and cinema. Dad was being stung by scorpions when he forgot to shake his boots out! Bully beef hash for brekker, bully beef sarnies for lunch, bully beef stew for dinner. Nice bit of wad.
Logisitics are important, but perhaps the septics go a bit too far!
He served in the UK, Aden, India, Burma, Malaysia, Singapore and Ceylon.
His legs are covered in scar tissue from leeches. He went through the most awful times and saw pals die. And yet his abiding memory was the dreadful feeling when the ciggy ration didn't arrive.
In north Burma the yanks had their PX and cinema. Dad was being stung by scorpions when he forgot to shake his boots out! Bully beef hash for brekker, bully beef sarnies for lunch, bully beef stew for dinner. Nice bit of wad.
Logisitics are important, but perhaps the septics go a bit too far!
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Originally Posted by Hirsutesme
we built in a 10% loading to ensure that there were always some left after the last one had gone!
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Theoretically it was, hypothetically it was, electronically/virtually it was, but, in reality it wasnt, oh what fun we had. It worked though, and, taken in conjunction with forward ordering, rather than just in time, meant we rarely ran out of kit (although we did lose a whole squadron of Pumas for a while, but that's another story)
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Whilst at that secret airbase in shropshire we were told we must secure our navbags with carabinas, so doing as we were told we trundled off to stores to get some...
"No sir, only the marines can have them"
then once they were told to get back in their box...
"None left in the forces sir"
What a crock of
"No sir, only the marines can have them"
then once they were told to get back in their box...
"None left in the forces sir"
What a crock of
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jonny - if your trade specialists decide you need a piece of kit, then they have to justify it to the the high and mighty so you can be scaled for it. Hence why Nav Bags are for Navs etc etc. It isn't good enough for you to be told you need them because the system hasn't bought enough for the unscaled users.
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So pilots cannot have a Nav bag!!?? Switch on lofty! so you are telling me there were zero/none/nada carabinas outside of the marines which we could have been issued, i dont think so!
To illustrate my point, i once spent a jolly good time at a naval base whilst Taranto night was on. We were jobbed off to try and get some submariners jumpers for the sods opera. This base has no ships or submarines stationed there so i thought this may be difficult but low and behold i found boxes and boxes of brand new jumpers!,which they claimed they didnt have!!!!
God knows what else they had there but they certainly didnt need to horde them and keep them there!
Another case of stackers hiding things away and claiming they dont have any!
To illustrate my point, i once spent a jolly good time at a naval base whilst Taranto night was on. We were jobbed off to try and get some submariners jumpers for the sods opera. This base has no ships or submarines stationed there so i thought this may be difficult but low and behold i found boxes and boxes of brand new jumpers!,which they claimed they didnt have!!!!
God knows what else they had there but they certainly didnt need to horde them and keep them there!
Another case of stackers hiding things away and claiming they dont have any!
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Originally Posted by jonny5
So pilots cannot have a Nav bag!!?? Switch on lofty! so you are telling me there were zero/none/nada carabinas outside of the marines which we could have been issued, i dont think so!
To illustrate my point, i once spent a jolly good time at a naval base whilst Taranto night was on. We were jobbed off to try and get some submariners jumpers for the sods opera. This base has no ships or submarines stationed there so i thought this may be difficult but low and behold i found boxes and boxes of brand new jumpers!,which they claimed they didnt have!!!!
God knows what else they had there but they certainly didnt need to horde them and keep them there!
Another case of stackers hiding things away and claiming they dont have any!
To illustrate my point, i once spent a jolly good time at a naval base whilst Taranto night was on. We were jobbed off to try and get some submariners jumpers for the sods opera. This base has no ships or submarines stationed there so i thought this may be difficult but low and behold i found boxes and boxes of brand new jumpers!,which they claimed they didnt have!!!!
God knows what else they had there but they certainly didnt need to horde them and keep them there!
Another case of stackers hiding things away and claiming they dont have any!
As for false shortages of kit in order to hold to some I can't say in my years as a stacker I've ever come across this outside of civvy run Supply Sqn's. What I have seen is war reserve stock (which is usually just cabbage kit) and sqn suppliers over-ordering for their specific sqn and keeping it stashed away (and more importantly, out of sight of USAS), but even this can be slightly forgiven as its the sqn personnel who write the F6000 for the few stackers on a sqn. Unhappy sqn techies means poor assessments.
The supply sqn (or RMS as they like to call it these days
) that I work in takes great pride in it ability to bend over backwards when it can to keep the cabs flying, PEP robs are a routine part of our day (what with 'just in time' being a load of cods) but even this is under threat from another recent 'initiative', Lean. Apparently robbing a PEP for an item is not 'cost effective'. The man from Simpler believes it'd be much more cost effective to keep the cab on the ground until the part arrives or rob from another cab.
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jonny - you can do my job so much better than I could possibly ever hope to - why don't you come and do my job, then we could obviously save 10 more posts and still get it done better.
Stacker - PEP robs - just going around this at the moment in a different world. I don't know about costs, but PEP robs shouldn't happen - it is another way of masking the problem really. If we didn't rob from PEPs, then the supply chain would expose the real D States and they would have to deal with them properly and procure.
Stacker - PEP robs - just going around this at the moment in a different world. I don't know about costs, but PEP robs shouldn't happen - it is another way of masking the problem really. If we didn't rob from PEPs, then the supply chain would expose the real D States and they would have to deal with them properly and procure.
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Originally Posted by Mr C Hinecap
jonny - you can do my job so much better than I could possibly ever hope to - why don't you come and do my job, then we could obviously save 10 more posts and still get it done better.
Stacker - PEP robs - just going around this at the moment in a different world. I don't know about costs, but PEP robs shouldn't happen - it is another way of masking the problem really. If we didn't rob from PEPs, then the supply chain would expose the real D States and they would have to deal with them properly and procure.
Stacker - PEP robs - just going around this at the moment in a different world. I don't know about costs, but PEP robs shouldn't happen - it is another way of masking the problem really. If we didn't rob from PEPs, then the supply chain would expose the real D States and they would have to deal with them properly and procure.
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The reason why most lineys have flying gloves is the nice aircrew give them their old ones (in most cases). Given that the lineys do quite intricate jobs in cold weather when the service provides them with inadequate honey monster style mittens, getting a pair flying gloves suddenly becomes high on the priority list. I cannot, for the love of god understand why any stacker can justify the issue of an aircrew watch and I have seen a fair few in my 20 or so years. I even had one tell me there were no watches in stock, I felt quite smug when I left with the one from his wrist...
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I'm not denying that lineys need better gloves than the 'glove, crewmans, unweildly' ones that are issued but obviously the upper echlons of the techie world aren't shouting loud enough for their personnel to be scaled anything better.
As for the watch, I can't really comment on that specific case. Yes its wrong and an act I would do something about if I discovered it happening in my section. Nor is it something I would do or have done but I am aware that all through the RAF, MoD and society as a whole people feel that 'coming by' work supplied items for personnel use is rife. Just how many clocks are there on RAF stations to justify the amount of batteries that seem to be issued on the run up to Christmas (to all sections)?
He who is without sin.....
As for the watch, I can't really comment on that specific case. Yes its wrong and an act I would do something about if I discovered it happening in my section. Nor is it something I would do or have done but I am aware that all through the RAF, MoD and society as a whole people feel that 'coming by' work supplied items for personnel use is rife. Just how many clocks are there on RAF stations to justify the amount of batteries that seem to be issued on the run up to Christmas (to all sections)?
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What Does A Latte Cost?....
Whatever your conscience permits you to tell JPA....up to a fiver, of course....if you can get the bl00dy thing to work....
Or have I missed the point too?
Or have I missed the point too?
