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Never believe the gits you work with who, having just done CCS, proceed to wind you up that it was an absolute milk run/walk in the park/they let you cheat on the exam experience...
I got put through the wringer then put through again!!! Bloody boiling hot day as well.
I think, with all the pre-deployment courses we endure anyway at the moment and with the need to pinch at every penny that perhaps CCS could:
a) Be reduced to once every 18 months.
b) Really, really be looked at and as somebody mentioned earlier perhaps take out much of the nuclear content and concentrate more on the first aid and perhaps a bit of crisis management...I mean, it could be you that is caught up in the next mass act of terrorism in this country.
I got put through the wringer then put through again!!! Bloody boiling hot day as well.
I think, with all the pre-deployment courses we endure anyway at the moment and with the need to pinch at every penny that perhaps CCS could:
a) Be reduced to once every 18 months.
b) Really, really be looked at and as somebody mentioned earlier perhaps take out much of the nuclear content and concentrate more on the first aid and perhaps a bit of crisis management...I mean, it could be you that is caught up in the next mass act of terrorism in this country.
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IMO there is a balance to be struck.
Firstly I don't believe that people are exposed to weapons training and first aid enough. I fired on a 100m range this year for the first time, at the same time firing live rounds for the first time in 8 years. I think we are getting better at this but we are deploying all our people with their personal weapons at the moment and everyone should be completely comfortable and confident in handling and firing them. Once a year in the SAT range is not enough to achieve this - where are the opportunities to work on marksmanship? CCS is such a rush to fit everything in.
Secondly we need to look at the relevance of some of the content. Perhaps putting the NBC element on a 2-yearly cycle might help. Get the rules of engagement video redone to make it relevent to ops - as it stands it is useful for the guard force but does not address thorny issues like facing mobs of unarmed locals having a riot. Oh and make all the B
y speakers turn up on time and be enthusiastic!
Firstly I don't believe that people are exposed to weapons training and first aid enough. I fired on a 100m range this year for the first time, at the same time firing live rounds for the first time in 8 years. I think we are getting better at this but we are deploying all our people with their personal weapons at the moment and everyone should be completely comfortable and confident in handling and firing them. Once a year in the SAT range is not enough to achieve this - where are the opportunities to work on marksmanship? CCS is such a rush to fit everything in.
Secondly we need to look at the relevance of some of the content. Perhaps putting the NBC element on a 2-yearly cycle might help. Get the rules of engagement video redone to make it relevent to ops - as it stands it is useful for the guard force but does not address thorny issues like facing mobs of unarmed locals having a riot. Oh and make all the B
y speakers turn up on time and be enthusiastic!
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Thanks for all the advice anyway. I ended up doing the course today and I saw some hard working Rocks running a course that was just a bit tired. The skills they went over are skills we should all have now, but it wasn't too bad.
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Sanchez, The Rapier comment was a (somewhat crass) attempt at sarcasm, because I am fully aware of the Rock Apes forced relinquishing of the Rapier to the RA. Im no Rock Ape, was just trying to use your comment to poke some fun at our slanted foreheaded RAF Bretheren. Didnt work obviously, i'll just get me (NBC) jacket!
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Originally Posted by snapper41
CCS would be a lot easier to bear without all the Regt tea/NAAFI breaks built in; get rid of them, and get it over with an hour earlier!
What did wind me up last week was having to do IRT prior to deploying, and watching/listening to all the same stuff I'd done on CCS the week before. Is this really needed?
What did wind me up last week was having to do IRT prior to deploying, and watching/listening to all the same stuff I'd done on CCS the week before. Is this really needed?
Agreed no real nuclear threat but you guys must be aware of ROTA or are memories of Chernobyl and Bhopal and the likes that distant as well as the threat of dirty BC devices.
Unless they are making their own show, the only duplication on IRT from CCS should be ROE and weapons.........
I'll batton the hatches ready for the incoming...
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vecvechookattack,
It s just a guess here but to you and me it would be the prerequisite courses for going to sea (assuming your GS)
1/ Sea Survival
2/ NBCD+DC
3/ Firefighting
I dare say the Crabs and Pongoes have their own variant which involves becoming Rambo for a day.
It s just a guess here but to you and me it would be the prerequisite courses for going to sea (assuming your GS)
1/ Sea Survival
2/ NBCD+DC
3/ Firefighting
I dare say the Crabs and Pongoes have their own variant which involves becoming Rambo for a day.
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Originally Posted by Dirty Sanchez
It always p!sses me off that we pamper to the whims of blunites. Turning up late and more tablets..........where do they get off. If only they knew how pointless their trg is eh?
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Reading the link it would apear that CCS is on a similar tack to our BSSC and ISSC. The BSSC is a one day course and the ISSC is a 5 day marathon.
BSSC is easy - Sit in a classroom, jump down an escape schute into a liferaft, go to the lake and then jump into a liferaft...tea n stickys and go home.
ISSC is a different kettle of bones. Fighting fires, plugging holes in the ships side (and bottom) NBCD, crisis, mayhem and derision.
BSSC is easy - Sit in a classroom, jump down an escape schute into a liferaft, go to the lake and then jump into a liferaft...tea n stickys and go home.
ISSC is a different kettle of bones. Fighting fires, plugging holes in the ships side (and bottom) NBCD, crisis, mayhem and derision.
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Actually enjoyed ISSC last time I did it. Mind you for the DRU they said: "so you're a WAFU, stay in this section, do what you can, and stay out of the way of the dabbers." Which I did. CCS on the other hand was a pain in the arse but it may just have been the RAF Reg guy who ran it.
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CCS just about to change for the RAF - will soon be an additional full day of first aid, I think equivalent to the Army Battlefield first aid course. Anyone want to bet that the full day won't be good enough for the H&S people and we will have to do some more to keep them happy?
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I've read this thread with interest.
The bottom line is that CCS is something that we all have to do, so just accept the fact and get on with it. It's only once a year for Gods sake. People who whinge about it are, in my experience, not very military type people and are more at home behind a desk or route flying than running around with a gun.
The Regt guys at Lyneham have a good attitude towards CCS and try to make the day as painless as possible. If, however you turn up with "attitude" then you are asking for trouble, and serve you right if you get dicked around a bit.
If you had to book your CCS day through JPA, then that would be something to whine about.
The bottom line is that CCS is something that we all have to do, so just accept the fact and get on with it. It's only once a year for Gods sake. People who whinge about it are, in my experience, not very military type people and are more at home behind a desk or route flying than running around with a gun.
The Regt guys at Lyneham have a good attitude towards CCS and try to make the day as painless as possible. If, however you turn up with "attitude" then you are asking for trouble, and serve you right if you get dicked around a bit.
If you had to book your CCS day through JPA, then that would be something to whine about.
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Lara Crofts Pants
I'll second that. It's usually the whinger who fires the spring out the arse end of the rifle and needs talking through First Aid. Personally I find the annual First Aid refresh quite useful.
That said, the tick test is a joke and by the time the 20th person has extinguished the fire in a bucket the novelty wears a bit thin.
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I'll second that. It's usually the whinger who fires the spring out the arse end of the rifle and needs talking through First Aid. Personally I find the annual First Aid refresh quite useful.
That said, the tick test is a joke and by the time the 20th person has extinguished the fire in a bucket the novelty wears a bit thin.
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I agree with Lara Crofts Pants (how many times have I got to write that sentence in a lifetime). CCS isn't necessarily my favourite day of the year but I do think we need it and the formula is about right. I do feel sorry for the Regt instructors who have to teach it day-in-day-out but most do a good job.
We do have other distractions that are less worthy of taking people away from their primary duties and although IRT/IDT etc seem to have been rationalised, there was talk of a pre-det sand shovelling test; it's only apparent reason for being seems to be to redress the balance following the recent loss of other pointless pre-det training. If going out-of-area was simple, everyone would want to do it
We do have other distractions that are less worthy of taking people away from their primary duties and although IRT/IDT etc seem to have been rationalised, there was talk of a pre-det sand shovelling test; it's only apparent reason for being seems to be to redress the balance following the recent loss of other pointless pre-det training. If going out-of-area was simple, everyone would want to do it