Saluting US Warrant Officers - for information
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Saluting US Warrant Officers - for information
The following explanation from ARRSE explains why US Warrants aren't saluted by the Brits.
"Chapter 8 (Ceremonial) of the Queen’s Regulations for the Army is the relevant part for paying compliments (saluting) and paragraph 8.055 subparagraph c states:
“The compliments laid down in these regulations are to be paid to officers of corresponding rank in the service of any power formally recognized by Her Majesty.”
The ‘corresponding rank’ is detailed at Chapter 2 (Command within the Army), paragraph J2.042 – the lowest officer rank being NATO code OF-1, equating to a Second Lieutenant.
Thus according to Queen’s Regulations the lowest rank of officer to be saluted, including foreign officers, is Second Lieutenant or equivalent OF-1 rank.
So until either:
a. The USA re-categorizes US WOs as OF-1 equivalent; or
b. Queen’s Regulations are amended;
US Warrant Officers are NOT entitled to a salute."
"Chapter 8 (Ceremonial) of the Queen’s Regulations for the Army is the relevant part for paying compliments (saluting) and paragraph 8.055 subparagraph c states:
“The compliments laid down in these regulations are to be paid to officers of corresponding rank in the service of any power formally recognized by Her Majesty.”
The ‘corresponding rank’ is detailed at Chapter 2 (Command within the Army), paragraph J2.042 – the lowest officer rank being NATO code OF-1, equating to a Second Lieutenant.
Thus according to Queen’s Regulations the lowest rank of officer to be saluted, including foreign officers, is Second Lieutenant or equivalent OF-1 rank.
So until either:
a. The USA re-categorizes US WOs as OF-1 equivalent; or
b. Queen’s Regulations are amended;
US Warrant Officers are NOT entitled to a salute."
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US Warrant Officers are NOT entitled to a salute."
So it would seem a British Field Marshal is not entitled to a salute by "any" American military person.
That ignores all the other reasons that prick wasn't worth saluting to begin with.
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Whenever I had to do a duty visit to any USAF base in the UK (Mildenhall, Lakenheath & Upper Heyford) it was very rare to get a salute from a noncom, or a junior ranking officer; this applied whether I was in No 2 with shoulder rank tabs or a full-blown No 1. This was little America and as insular and ignorant of the outside world as their mainland.
allan907, I was once shopping in the BX at Offut AFB in the late '70s. Some inquisitive Spam asked what 'RAF' stood for on my wings as I was getting back into the car.
"Is Russian Air Forceski. We come look at your SAC, tovarich!"
Didn't hang around to watch the result.....
"Is Russian Air Forceski. We come look at your SAC, tovarich!"
Didn't hang around to watch the result.....
Check yer history sport....Eisenhower then a four star (at that point the highest rank in the US military) commanded Montgomery a British Field Marshal. Montgomery and the British public (with Montgomery's urging) thought the insufferable prick had been "demoted" when Bradley arrived and took over command of American forces shortly after D-Day. (per the plan all along)
The five star rank was used during WWII only and when the holders of that rank retired or died....the rank went with them. Four stars are the limit today.
The five star rank was used during WWII only and when the holders of that rank retired or died....the rank went with them. Four stars are the limit today.
Six star
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The Septics did have 5 star Generals. I believe the rank was called "General of the Army" bit like "Marshal of the RAF" and "Admiral of the Fleet" any way it was equivalent to Field Marshal.
They even had a 6-Star; in 1976, for the US Bicentennial, the US Senate voted to elevate George Washington (posthumously, of course!) to 6-Star rank. Can't remember what is was called, though.
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They even had a 6-Star; in 1976, for the US Bicentennial, the US Senate voted to elevate George Washington (posthumously, of course!) to 6-Star rank. Can't remember what is was called, though.
The 5-star rank is 'General of the Army' singular...except for Hap Arnold, who was redesignated 'General of the Air Force' after we split off as a separate service
Westie - you mean you had a go on that landing simulator at Johnson Space Center as well? Great fun, wasn't it! Took me about 3 goes to get the hang of it - just follow the flight director as closely as possible...
I pinched the idea of 'RAF' from something I'd read in Johnny Kent's book 'One of the Few' which I'd read a week or so earlier. On page 234, if you don't believe me.
Fortunately it didn't have quite the same effect when I'd said it as when he did - that was some 25 years earlier when McCarthyist paranoia was at its height.
Oh - and were you in the carrier - or the lighthouse?
I pinched the idea of 'RAF' from something I'd read in Johnny Kent's book 'One of the Few' which I'd read a week or so earlier. On page 234, if you don't believe me.
Fortunately it didn't have quite the same effect when I'd said it as when he did - that was some 25 years earlier when McCarthyist paranoia was at its height.
Oh - and were you in the carrier - or the lighthouse?
I was overflying the whole event in a SR71. This is where you say you have piccies of the top of the -71 from your Canberra, muttering "stooopid yanks" or something to that effect
Flight directors are for women, I flew raw data.
Flight directors are for women, I flew raw data.
PNav,
Actually no...but his reputation preceeds him even today.
Actually no...but his reputation preceeds him even today.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
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PNav,
Actually no...but his reputation preceeds him even today.
Actually no...but his reputation preceeds him even today.
I am sure you have some too.
Ah for sure.....it is not just cream that floats to the top!
Think back to an old boy from our Air Force named Dugan....got hisself fired by George's Father after he gave away the Gulf 1 battle plan to the press. A complete Teewat.
As far as ego is concerned....dear old Douglas MacArthur probably eclipsed even Montgomery in the end. That is up till Harry Truman tied a can to his tail and sent him home from Korea.
During my time, Westmoreland was the absolute example of how an inbred promotion system can work to the disadvantage of the military. Read his book and see how he indicts himself in his own words. The section where he went to LBJ and asked for "165,000 more troops or there will be no chance of winning the war", only to be told it wasn't politically feasible. Westmoreland put hand to cap and went back to Saigon and continued in a losing strategy.
Westmoreland knew his next job was as Chief of Staff of the US Army and he was going to do nothing to jeapordize his getting the top job in the Army.
It took a real war fighter, Creighton Abrams, to turn it around by making a stategy chance from body count to destruction of logistical assets.
Think back to an old boy from our Air Force named Dugan....got hisself fired by George's Father after he gave away the Gulf 1 battle plan to the press. A complete Teewat.
As far as ego is concerned....dear old Douglas MacArthur probably eclipsed even Montgomery in the end. That is up till Harry Truman tied a can to his tail and sent him home from Korea.
During my time, Westmoreland was the absolute example of how an inbred promotion system can work to the disadvantage of the military. Read his book and see how he indicts himself in his own words. The section where he went to LBJ and asked for "165,000 more troops or there will be no chance of winning the war", only to be told it wasn't politically feasible. Westmoreland put hand to cap and went back to Saigon and continued in a losing strategy.
Westmoreland knew his next job was as Chief of Staff of the US Army and he was going to do nothing to jeapordize his getting the top job in the Army.
It took a real war fighter, Creighton Abrams, to turn it around by making a stategy chance from body count to destruction of logistical assets.
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Pontius -
I am only a 1 Star, Taurus - (I so wish I could have been a Leo) - will this affect my compulsive behaviour disorder to play golf 3 times a week, sail away at weekends for overnight stops and go shopping at 6am for special offers when it's quiet. Please help!
I am only a 1 Star, Taurus - (I so wish I could have been a Leo) - will this affect my compulsive behaviour disorder to play golf 3 times a week, sail away at weekends for overnight stops and go shopping at 6am for special offers when it's quiet. Please help!
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Originally Posted by SASless
Think back to an old boy from our Air Force named Dugan....got hisself fired by George's Father after he gave away the Gulf 1 battle plan to the press. A complete Teewat.
Politically niaive I think is truer.
As far as ego is concerned....dear old Douglas MacArthur probably eclipsed even Montgomery in the end. That is up till Harry Truman tied a can to his tail and sent him home from Korea.
During my time, Westmoreland was the absolute example of how an inbred promotion system can work to the disadvantage of the military.
Thought Patton might have gotten a mention, and Clark too.