Argentina renews claim to our beloved Falkland Islands

[Flatus Veteranus]

Originally Posted by Navaleye

How about turning W Falkland into an open air prison for the 10,000 foreign prisoners we have contaminating our prison system. Two choices pal: The Falklands in a tent or home!

And put all the paedos on S Georgia?

[peppermint_jam]

As long as they bomb the house that the ref for todays England game lives in, I'd be over the moon!!

Apologies for the Hijack

[BlueWolf]

It would be easier to give each islander £1M each and a ticket to NZ

Sorry, but Komrade Helengrad doesn't like white English-speaking immigrants, as they tend to vote for National....you'll have to disguise them as something else entirely.

[airborne_artist]

I doubt that the Bennies would understand voting anyway. Tell Helen to hold the elections at shearing time

[Razordome]

Originally Posted by Navaleye

Here.
Might be a prudent move to up the garrison size and perhaps a few more F3s. Presumably land based radar should be able to spot incoming Arg a/c on take off so early warning should not be a problem. HMS Liverpool is FIGS at the moment.

I take it you believe the earth is flat. Nowadays, it appears it is shaped like a ball and therefore, no, land based radars will not find the enemy aircraft beyond 40ish nm - basic physics. Didn't we have this problem in '82!!. RN thought it could cope, and immediately paid for production of AEW. It is simple - those F3's will not last long without AEW, as the SuperE/Skyhawks will be in on the deck, and taking out the runway - followed by the rest of the airfield. Land radars do not have a hope.

[Razordome]

Originally Posted by giblets

Sea jet anyone?

You hit it on the head. Oil prospects + no sea jet + RN cut backs = easy target

[Navaleye]

I take it you believe the earth is flat. Nowadays, it appears it is shaped like a ball and therefore, no, land based radars will not find the enemy aircraft beyond 40ish nm - basic physics

Quite true for a radar at sea level, but not so for a radar 1500ft up a mountain. I understand that S-1850 search radar to be fitted in the T45 was able to monitor movements at every major European airport when it was ground tested.

[Razordome]

Originally Posted by Navaleye

Quite true for a radar at sea level, but not so for a radar 1500ft up a mountain. I understand that S-1850 search radar to be fitted in the T45 was able to monitor movements at every major European airport when it was ground tested.

Which is why I said about being able to see enemy at 40nm (ish I admit). At sea level you are looking at 9nm (against sea skimmer)....s^&t...boring myself now!

T45 looking over the horizon?? Atmospheric ducting maybe has this effect in a surface duct. Personnally heard Florida coast guard when at 200ft in UK before on HF, but radar will not get close to these ranges....maybe double the range if lucky, but will not see much in elevation.

Its like being back at work

[SirToppamHat]

Radar Height = 1500 ft
Tgt Height = 250 ft =1000ft
Radar Horizon = 67nm =86nm

See Here:

Radar Horizon Calculator

Very Clever!

STH

[Maple 01]

land based radars will not find the enemy aircraft beyond 40ish nm

PMSL!

T-84 radar 90% probability of a paint on a Canberra size target at 40,000ft at 250 something miles

AA4 Mk 7 Bu@@er-all probability of a paint at 3 feet on an A-380 sized target crammed with reflectors and painted with extra reflective paint

S259/S600 as far as the radar cabin door (on good day) just enough power to make you sterile

T101, AR3D - low level coverage out to bloody miles when stuck on mountains and using electronic tilt (or whatever the multiphased array thingy does), a bit more than 40 nms!

Next generation, oooh, quite a way

Mind you, most RN radars have a better detection range when they are switched off!

[Razordome]

Originally Posted by SirToppamHat

Radar Height = 1500 ft
Tgt Height = 250 ft =1000ft
Radar Horizon = 67nm =86nm
See Here:
Radar Horizon Calculator
Very Clever!
STH

1500ft horizon from radar + 50ft target = 56nm horizon. OK not 40nm.

[Razordome]

Originally Posted by Maple 01

PMSL!
T-84 radar 90% probability of a paint on a Canberra size target at 40,000ft at 250 something miles
AA4 Mk 7 Bu@@er-all probability of a paint at 3 feet on an A-380 sized target crammed with reflectors and painted with extra reflective paint
S259/S600 as far as the radar cabin door (on good day) just enough power to make you sterile
T101, AR3D - low level coverage out to bloody miles when stuck on mountains and using electronic tilt (or whatever the multiphased array thingy does), a bit more than 40 nms!
Next generation, oooh, quite a way
Mind you, most RN radars have a better detection range when they are switched off!

Mk7 radar is the dogs bollox, and one of the few procurement projects that has worked well. Although limited in radar horizon by the airframe it compares very well to E-3 considering its in a helicopter and costs a hell of a lot less. Even your T-84 performance doesn't impress T101 thingy........still cant see around corners!!....my radar is better than yours.....lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala. Get out of your bunker and get some fresh air!! - Seriously, I am just winding you up. But if we had beat the Argies in the cup final, I would be preparing to be embarking the next day.

This is getting too geeky!!!! I am off to watch someone sleeping on big brother....and think of more fires to light

[Maple 01]

Kids today, I despair! No history

Ack Ack 4 Mk 7
1950's vintage extremely short range gun-laying radar 'gifted' by our Army chums when Anti Aircraft command was disbanded and they sold the 40mm Bofors guns. AKA Blue Diamond, Range = 9.7miles (15.5km) (ha! says who?)

[Razordome]

Originally Posted by Maple 01

Kids today, I despair! No history
Ack Ack 4 Mk 7
1950's vintage extremely short range gun-laying radar 'gifted' by our Army chums when Anti Aircraft command was disbanded and they sold the 40mm Bofus guns

OK - head now out of butt. Guess best put this thread back on track.........what were we talking about?

[jonny5]

The argies thinking they are going to get their greasy little mits on the falklands. Anyone who has said on this thread that we should give them to the argies are mad. Hundreds of serviceman on both sides died in 1982, that is reason enough to fight and continue fighting for the islands. Buenos aires- Bring it on!

[midsomerjambo]

Originally Posted by BlueWolf

Sorry, but Komrade Helengrad doesn't like white English-speaking immigrants, as they tend to vote for National....you'll have to disguise them as something else entirely.

As I recall the place from my 4 months on wokkas there in '85, you could probably capture the bennies, drug them, stuff a couple of hundred quid in there pockets and dump them on the Mull of Kintyre with a few sheep (having previously given the MoK inhabitants the £1m each and evacuated them to Shetland) - when the bennies woke up, they'd never notice the difference

[Navaleye]

Fortunately, Arg Air does not have enough air2air refuelling assets to permit a low-low-low attack on the FI. This means they will be spotted on the way in. I'd also suggest a well coordinated pair of F3s could take out a large chunk of Arg Air's only air defence Mirage sqn in one go.

[Wyler]

Razordome.

AEW the answer? You would need a shed load for 24 hour cover (land and sea based), assuming they could take off in the standard weather at MPA. Non starter.

Navaleye is correct, they can't come LL all the way. The idea is to spot them earlier. Layered defence with a little help from some clever wiggly amps. Ground based radars are limited, but only one piece in the jigsaw.

As for the 'locals', far more patriotic than your average Brit.

[airborne_artist]

Might I suggest that the easiest way to achieve a reliable early warning would be to do just what we did last time, and put OPs in by the air bases concerned, and on the likely coasting-out points.

Just rent a house close to each one, and connect it to the Ops Room in MPA via broadband with a satellite back-up.

[Widger]

Wyler, my little crabby FC friend....you need to get your butt onto a CVS and watch 849. They can cover 24hrs with as little as three or four aircraft. Its called "Ripple Flying" and they proved that they could do it in George's War II. You don't need loads of assets, just aircrew. Land on refuel, launch. But then I suppose on an E3 you have to get the galley restocked by 3663, beds changed and fluffed up etc!