Has the ISK Staish Lost the Plot?
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Has the ISK Staish Lost the Plot?
So first we had people writing formals letters for not wearing their hats for the 3 yards from the door of Ops to the Crew Coach. Possibly slight overkill with the letters requirement, but at the time I agreed with him that some of the aircrew were being slack gits.
However, apparently you now have to keep your hat on while you are seated on the Crew Coach. I'm not sure at what point you are allowed to take your hat off. Is it as the coach crosses the white line delineating the active pan, or is it just before you actually step onto the pan?
With JPA still being so screwed up (I have heard people on the phones this week talking to the helpdesk for the 3rd month running trying to get their pay straightened out), it's nice to see the hierachy sorting out the important 'issues' - not.
I look forward to seeing him seated in the cockpit of an Eastern Airways aircraft with his hat on!
Wotta
However, apparently you now have to keep your hat on while you are seated on the Crew Coach. I'm not sure at what point you are allowed to take your hat off. Is it as the coach crosses the white line delineating the active pan, or is it just before you actually step onto the pan?
With JPA still being so screwed up (I have heard people on the phones this week talking to the helpdesk for the 3rd month running trying to get their pay straightened out), it's nice to see the hierachy sorting out the important 'issues' - not.
I look forward to seeing him seated in the cockpit of an Eastern Airways aircraft with his hat on!
Wotta
Suggest you do as you're told.
Hardly a particular embuggerance to have to sit in a bus with your hat on, I would have thought.
I very much doubt whether your Stn Cdr has 'lost the plot' - but perhaps he doesn't like scruffy slobs.
Hardly a particular embuggerance to have to sit in a bus with your hat on, I would have thought.
I very much doubt whether your Stn Cdr has 'lost the plot' - but perhaps he doesn't like scruffy slobs.
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I'm with you mate - no advantage to wearing a hat on a coach.
As for Beags reply - what's scruffy about not wearing a hat inside a vehicle? I suppose he's a 'flat-cap wearing' Volvo driver who always wears his cap whilst driving. Some people really need to focus on the important things in life.
I'm with you mate - no advantage to wearing a hat on a coach.
As for Beags reply - what's scruffy about not wearing a hat inside a vehicle? I suppose he's a 'flat-cap wearing' Volvo driver who always wears his cap whilst driving. Some people really need to focus on the important things in life.
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Don't wear the hat, don't write the letter, get the bollocking, problem goes away.
Getting 'extra duties' as a 'punishment' is illegal nowerdays.
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Getting 'extra duties' as a 'punishment' is illegal nowerdays.
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no advantage to wearing a beret or SD hat at all. It serves no function apart from identification and appearance. But it is uniform and that is why we wear it. I am a fairly black-and-white individual, so either we wear hats properly or do away with them altogether. Until they are done away with, we should wear them properly and that may involve wearing them on Service vehicles. Funny that is not difficult for the army to wear berets driving for hours down the motorway....
I know it is a faff, but it is not difficult either. You say focus on the important things in life - absolutely - is it gonna kill you to wear it? If that is the way the staish wants it, crack on and don't moan too much.
no advantage to wearing a beret or SD hat at all. It serves no function apart from identification and appearance. But it is uniform and that is why we wear it. I am a fairly black-and-white individual, so either we wear hats properly or do away with them altogether. Until they are done away with, we should wear them properly and that may involve wearing them on Service vehicles. Funny that is not difficult for the army to wear berets driving for hours down the motorway....
I know it is a faff, but it is not difficult either. You say focus on the important things in life - absolutely - is it gonna kill you to wear it? If that is the way the staish wants it, crack on and don't moan too much.
One presumes that the coach is for officers - and that the untermensch are marched to the aeroplane? Then lined up and inspected?
I've no idea whether your Stn Cdr wears a 'flat-cap' (how distressingly Northern) or drives a Volvo - I most certainly don't do either of those things.
A Volvo indeed.....
I've no idea whether your Stn Cdr wears a 'flat-cap' (how distressingly Northern) or drives a Volvo - I most certainly don't do either of those things.
A Volvo indeed.....
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I would suggest that the order to wear hats in service vehicles is not limited to the crew bus. I suggest you stop being 'holier than thou' and consider that 'you' should be setting an example to others. If you don't like it then there is a door marked exit from the RAF.
Stand back and wait for 'holier than thou' individuals to calm down.
Stand back and wait for 'holier than thou' individuals to calm down.
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Wotta,
These days, Stn Cdrs have so little actual power, the only things they can actually do anything about are 'hats on/off' and 'designated car-parking spaces'. Give him a break!
Admittedly, its a bit sad and hardly 'big picture' stuff, as you quite rightly point out and yes, there are better and more effective ways to get people to have a bit of pride in their appearance but how else is he going to make his mark and get promoted? Some of the best and up-beat units I have seen were united in hatred of their @rse of a Sqn Boss/Stn Cdr - who then, regrettably, got promoted....aargh!
However, as others have said, wearing a hat is not a difficult thing to do. So, unless you want to make a bad name for yourself, do as he says, paste a happy grin to your face and keep your powder dry for the big issues. If the Stn Cdr gets those right, however, maybe he's not so bad after all? Although, his apparent lack of focus does not bode well for ISK.
In the meantime, always remember RULE 1 - DON'T GET CAUGHT!!!!!
These days, Stn Cdrs have so little actual power, the only things they can actually do anything about are 'hats on/off' and 'designated car-parking spaces'. Give him a break!
Admittedly, its a bit sad and hardly 'big picture' stuff, as you quite rightly point out and yes, there are better and more effective ways to get people to have a bit of pride in their appearance but how else is he going to make his mark and get promoted? Some of the best and up-beat units I have seen were united in hatred of their @rse of a Sqn Boss/Stn Cdr - who then, regrettably, got promoted....aargh!
However, as others have said, wearing a hat is not a difficult thing to do. So, unless you want to make a bad name for yourself, do as he says, paste a happy grin to your face and keep your powder dry for the big issues. If the Stn Cdr gets those right, however, maybe he's not so bad after all? Although, his apparent lack of focus does not bode well for ISK.
In the meantime, always remember RULE 1 - DON'T GET CAUGHT!!!!!
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Sorry,
it might be an inconvenience, it might p
s you off to have to do it, but at the end of the day it's small cheese.
If petty little things like that affect you, then you are probably too precious to be in the armed forces.
I left a few years ago and yes some of the small rules can be annoying, but the armed forces have much more to worry about nowadays with overstretch etc etc that personnel should not really get their panties in a twist because their Commanding Officer decrees they have to wear headgear at certain times.
it might be an inconvenience, it might p
s you off to have to do it, but at the end of the day it's small cheese.If petty little things like that affect you, then you are probably too precious to be in the armed forces.
I left a few years ago and yes some of the small rules can be annoying, but the armed forces have much more to worry about nowadays with overstretch etc etc that personnel should not really get their panties in a twist because their Commanding Officer decrees they have to wear headgear at certain times.
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Perhaps the guy feels there is a significant lack of discipline/untidiness about the unit in general. By targetting the low-level, and some would say inconsequential stuff, perhaps he is hoping to change this. The New York 'Zero Tolerance' stance in the 90's targetted shop lifters and litter droppers, and before too long murder rates had plummetted. Beret on today, FOD put away tomorrow?
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Give mew a hat that is not a FOD problem (buttons and metal badges etc) and I will wear it!
Current RAF uniforms are a significant FOD hazard, we just haven't yet lost a jet to prove it (Yet!)
Current RAF uniforms are a significant FOD hazard, we just haven't yet lost a jet to prove it (Yet!)
Yes it would.
If you're implying that I ever had to be ordered to do the RAFFT, then you're talking spheroids. Although it might have taken a while for me to get round to bothering....
When I left the RAF, all stats were fully current.
If you're implying that I ever had to be ordered to do the RAFFT, then you're talking spheroids. Although it might have taken a while for me to get round to bothering....
When I left the RAF, all stats were fully current.
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Oh I see.
As a Sqn Ldr (setting an example?) "not bothering" to do the RAFFT is fine and dandy, but neglecting to wear a hat in a crew bus constitutes a disciplinary offence.
Gottit now.
The word hypocrite comes to mind!
And by the way don't QRs count as legitimate orders? Just because you weren't individually prodded in the chest and kicked 'round to the gym is no excuse. And yes, actually I sort of didn't bother doing said 'test' for a long time, and I also neglected to do the hat donning thing on many occasions; but I'm not trying to be holier than thou! - Well not much anyway!!
Oh I see.
As a Sqn Ldr (setting an example?) "not bothering" to do the RAFFT is fine and dandy, but neglecting to wear a hat in a crew bus constitutes a disciplinary offence.
Gottit now.
The word hypocrite comes to mind!
And by the way don't QRs count as legitimate orders? Just because you weren't individually prodded in the chest and kicked 'round to the gym is no excuse. And yes, actually I sort of didn't bother doing said 'test' for a long time, and I also neglected to do the hat donning thing on many occasions; but I'm not trying to be holier than thou! - Well not much anyway!!
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This is starting to remind me of the 'MT cleaning a vehicle after its use' thread. I think the same principles were argued about over 7 or 8 pages. Staish, train set, vote with feet, change rules, military discipline, legitimate orders. There that should cover the basics, now can we put this one out of its misery?
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Far be it from a member of the senior service to lecture people on dress and bearing (we are the best example of how not to do it) bt can anyone explain to me what a crew bus is and what it does ?
You probably know it as a 'Pusser's Tilly' or by somesuch jackspeak name.
Used by those whose aeroplane is too large and important to be situated close to the squadron buildings.
Used by those whose aeroplane is too large and important to be situated close to the squadron buildings.