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Direction of fly-by will probably depend on visibility, wind direction and climate change, resulting from the added carbon emissions after 5 days of practise - not to mention the increase in global warming by all the horses farting and cr*pping on Horse Guards Parade
The SofS for Defence will make a decision on Saturday morning after she has briefed the PM and the Met Office on what she thinks should happen!
The SofS for Defence will make a decision on Saturday morning after she has briefed the PM and the Met Office on what she thinks should happen!
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The SofS for Defence will make a decision on Saturday morning after she has briefed the PM and the Met Office on what she thinks should happen!
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Past Flypasts
Is there a source for photos of long ago (eg 1971) HM Birthday Flypasts? That year's effort involved fewer aircraft than now, IIRC it included Vulcan, Victor & Nimrod (alircraft, large, each one) and Phantom, Buccaneer & Lightning (aircraft, pointy, each 4) all as a moderately close gaggle.
PS Vev, following the guidance of "Eats shoots and leaves" I think it should be the Officers' Mess.
PS Vev, following the guidance of "Eats shoots and leaves" I think it should be the Officers' Mess.
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For christ sake, it's not just for the Queens Birthday, it's to remind Britain that there are still men and women putting their life on the line in mickey mouse wars.
Unfortunatley the British public are embroiled in a world cup and big brother frenzy at the moment and need a gentle reminder that there are things a million times more important going on in iraq and Afganistan.
A bit of pomp and circumstance is a good thing in todays age of Ipod and Jade Goody.
So what if it cost a bit of fuel, if it puffs out the chest of all the veterans of Britains escapades then good for them.
Unfortunatley the British public are embroiled in a world cup and big brother frenzy at the moment and need a gentle reminder that there are things a million times more important going on in iraq and Afganistan.
A bit of pomp and circumstance is a good thing in todays age of Ipod and Jade Goody.
So what if it cost a bit of fuel, if it puffs out the chest of all the veterans of Britains escapades then good for them.
Originally Posted by NutherA2
[FONT=Arial][COLOR=navy]Is there a source for photos of long ago (eg 1971) HM Birthday Flypasts? That year's effort involved fewer aircraft than now, IIRC it included Vulcan, Victor & Nimrod (alircraft, large, each one) and Phantom, Buccaneer & Lightning (aircraft, pointy, each 4) all as a moderately close gaggle.
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Fully agree that it is a great occasion and will be a sight to behold. Great to puff out ones chest and wave the flag.
However, with the large number of aircraft participating, the huge planning effort over many months, the massive support infrastructure of manpower and equipment, please do not continue whinging if your claims of overstretch fall on deaf ears.
Yes, the politicians would have directed that the occasion be marked but it was the Airships who pushed to make it such a dog and pony show. Spectacular own goal.
However, with the large number of aircraft participating, the huge planning effort over many months, the massive support infrastructure of manpower and equipment, please do not continue whinging if your claims of overstretch fall on deaf ears.
Yes, the politicians would have directed that the occasion be marked but it was the Airships who pushed to make it such a dog and pony show. Spectacular own goal.
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Plenty of people seem to be complaining that we have 'shot ourselves in the foot' by showing the truckie assets available. Whilst those complainers are tucking into their Saturday 'tea' in front of Ant & Dec, spare a thought for that same airframe and its crews from 'ninty-nine' that will be flying east less than 3 hrs after its so called jolly down the 'Mall'.
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I absolutely agree.
A colleague of mine, none military background was astonished to read of the flypast details in todays pop press. "By eck lad" he shouted "an I thought they was all in Iraq and Afghanistan bein overworked. Ow many hip replacements would that lot pay fer"
His words all expletives omitted, the rest of the room nodded and/or grunted in total agreement.
Please gentlemen no more whinges on here about being over worked and under resourced! An own goal worthy of any I have seen.
I absolutely agree.
A colleague of mine, none military background was astonished to read of the flypast details in todays pop press. "By eck lad" he shouted "an I thought they was all in Iraq and Afghanistan bein overworked. Ow many hip replacements would that lot pay fer"
His words all expletives omitted, the rest of the room nodded and/or grunted in total agreement.
Please gentlemen no more whinges on here about being over worked and under resourced! An own goal worthy of any I have seen.
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Has anyone asked Betty if she actually likes/wants a flypast? A tremendous fuss, if like 90% of the ladies, she thinks they are nasty, noisy and only for boys.
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No the Queen or as you think it is funny to call her "Betty" is probably proud of her armed forces and remembers a time when they were one of the best armed forces in the world until Labour governments wittled them down to a cub pack.
What an absolute load of rubbish coming from people that, I guess, should know better.
As you all know the AT guys (in particular) are working their backsides off and if anyone thinks that they are not overstretched then you need to get out and look at the real world. How does this flypast prove otherwise?
At the end of the day we are here to serve the Queen. Not being able to organise an event such as this would be a severe hit for the 'can do' attitude that is, pretty much, the only thing that is keeping the RAF going at the moment. As was mentioned earlier it is much more than a birthday flypast, it is a chance for the boys and girls to show off what they can do and I am sure they will take immense pride and satisfaction in taking part.
How many of those involved are participating on their day off? (I am not talking about the Monday-Friday brigade but those who already work most weekends as a matter of course). I would guess that there are a fair number involved who will go a long time without a break as a result.
Depsite BV's comments earlier I am a little put out that there are no rotary (or Herc) assets involved as, once again, there is a large section of the RAF that is working exceptionally hard that will not be represented. It is not that hard to organise multi-speed flypasts.
Suggesting that performing a flypast is an own-goal is b*****cks. It is a tremedous demonstration that, despite the overstretch and underfunding, the boys and girls will always pull it out of the bag when it is needed.
As you all know the AT guys (in particular) are working their backsides off and if anyone thinks that they are not overstretched then you need to get out and look at the real world. How does this flypast prove otherwise?
At the end of the day we are here to serve the Queen. Not being able to organise an event such as this would be a severe hit for the 'can do' attitude that is, pretty much, the only thing that is keeping the RAF going at the moment. As was mentioned earlier it is much more than a birthday flypast, it is a chance for the boys and girls to show off what they can do and I am sure they will take immense pride and satisfaction in taking part.
How many of those involved are participating on their day off? (I am not talking about the Monday-Friday brigade but those who already work most weekends as a matter of course). I would guess that there are a fair number involved who will go a long time without a break as a result.
Depsite BV's comments earlier I am a little put out that there are no rotary (or Herc) assets involved as, once again, there is a large section of the RAF that is working exceptionally hard that will not be represented. It is not that hard to organise multi-speed flypasts.
Suggesting that performing a flypast is an own-goal is b*****cks. It is a tremedous demonstration that, despite the overstretch and underfunding, the boys and girls will always pull it out of the bag when it is needed.
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Suggesting that performing a flypast is an own-goal is b*****cks. It is a tremedous demonstration that, despite the overstretch and underfunding, the boys and girls will always pull it out of the bag when it is needed.
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And therein lies your biggest problem of all!
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Concern being expressed about fitting into the formation aircraft with different speeds put me in mind of the Big Formation at Warbirds 93 at Wroughton.
Hoof Proudfoot(?) briefed and choreographed the formation on both days. We effectively had two formations, one of bombers and trainers (2 x B17, 1 x Blenheim, 1 x B25, 3 x Harvards & 2 x Piston Provosts), and one of fighters (1 x Hurricane, 3 x Spitfires, 3 x Mustangs, 1 x Corsair, 1 x Bearcat & 1 x Hellcat). The bombers and trainers flew at 125kts at 1100ft QFE and the fighters at 170kts, below 1100ft QFE. In the event, one Harvard and one Spit dropped out.
The bomber formation set out first, followed by the fighters, and both formations overflew the airfield at the same time. Breaks and landings were interesting but went off without a hitch.
I have a couple of photos but don't know how to display them.
Hoof Proudfoot(?) briefed and choreographed the formation on both days. We effectively had two formations, one of bombers and trainers (2 x B17, 1 x Blenheim, 1 x B25, 3 x Harvards & 2 x Piston Provosts), and one of fighters (1 x Hurricane, 3 x Spitfires, 3 x Mustangs, 1 x Corsair, 1 x Bearcat & 1 x Hellcat). The bombers and trainers flew at 125kts at 1100ft QFE and the fighters at 170kts, below 1100ft QFE. In the event, one Harvard and one Spit dropped out.
The bomber formation set out first, followed by the fighters, and both formations overflew the airfield at the same time. Breaks and landings were interesting but went off without a hitch.
I have a couple of photos but don't know how to display them.
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Good point, the Balbo's over Duxford have a very large amount of different aircraft in and they manage it.
It's great when the lone aircraft (usualy a Mustang) bares down on the rear aircraft from a very fast dive.
As he is lining up on the Balbo i bet he's saying "Dakka dakka dakka" into hi mouth piece.
It's great when the lone aircraft (usualy a Mustang) bares down on the rear aircraft from a very fast dive.
As he is lining up on the Balbo i bet he's saying "Dakka dakka dakka" into hi mouth piece.
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Oh golly Gee! (Ram), thanks for biting - but isn't this the norm for this Government?
They ignore many, favour a few - but always peddle their spinning spew!
Get Real! - or are you still voting New Liabour?
They ignore many, favour a few - but always peddle their spinning spew!
Get Real! - or are you still voting New Liabour?
Yes, it started with a Sycamore staggering past at 75KIAS and ended with a Swift at 580KIAS - which then lost its engine and dead-sticked into Chilbolton...
As well as the 197 piston engined aircraft and 444 jets involved in the flypast, there were another 318 on static display....
All of which operated from some 40 military aerodromes across the UK.
One wonders how impressive a diamond nine of the RAF's entire AAR force would look at the 60th anniversary of the Coronation Review? Assuming, of course, that they're ever forthcoming.
As well as the 197 piston engined aircraft and 444 jets involved in the flypast, there were another 318 on static display....
All of which operated from some 40 military aerodromes across the UK.
One wonders how impressive a diamond nine of the RAF's entire AAR force would look at the 60th anniversary of the Coronation Review? Assuming, of course, that they're ever forthcoming.
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Originally Posted by BEagle
One wonders how impressive a diamond nine of the RAF's entire AAR force would look at the 60th anniversary of the Coronation Review? Assuming, of course, that they're ever forthcoming.