Can't Red Ten use the bus?
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STANDTO,
Fair enough, details of your profile now deleted, but I merely repeated what you put in the public domain, on a free public website.
As someone who previously contributed to your economy (I had banking in the IOM for some years), I'd hate to think of my hard earned money being used to buy swanky cars so policemen can drive around such a small island all year round. Presumably this could be done on a pushbike if walking isn't quite quick enough?
Perhaps you could be given a car just for really important stuff, such as positioning Red 10?
Fair enough, details of your profile now deleted, but I merely repeated what you put in the public domain, on a free public website.
As someone who previously contributed to your economy (I had banking in the IOM for some years), I'd hate to think of my hard earned money being used to buy swanky cars so policemen can drive around such a small island all year round. Presumably this could be done on a pushbike if walking isn't quite quick enough?
Perhaps you could be given a car just for really important stuff, such as positioning Red 10?
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Thanks Shy. No offence taken.
Unfortunate that you never came to have a look at the box your money was kept in. The Isle of Man is 227 square miles, and has 500 miles of roads. a good number of these are derestricted with no upper speed limit. the communities are dispersed, and in order to provide them with first responder ability, have no option but to use vehicles. Also, unlike BWOS deals, we buy vehicles at hugely beneficial rates to ensure taxpayers money is spent wisely. You will be pleased to note however, that foot patrol is the default position and vehicles are merely a means to reach some of the outlying communities, and transport bad people. - oh, and provide a highly visible presence on roads where we still lose about a dozen a year.
I think you were referring to Sark.
I wanted to use air support to assist TT roads policing this year. Guess what - we couldn't afford it. Perhaps DHFS could give us a chuck up for the big centenary in 2007.
Unfortunate that you never came to have a look at the box your money was kept in. The Isle of Man is 227 square miles, and has 500 miles of roads. a good number of these are derestricted with no upper speed limit. the communities are dispersed, and in order to provide them with first responder ability, have no option but to use vehicles. Also, unlike BWOS deals, we buy vehicles at hugely beneficial rates to ensure taxpayers money is spent wisely. You will be pleased to note however, that foot patrol is the default position and vehicles are merely a means to reach some of the outlying communities, and transport bad people. - oh, and provide a highly visible presence on roads where we still lose about a dozen a year.
I think you were referring to Sark.
I wanted to use air support to assist TT roads policing this year. Guess what - we couldn't afford it. Perhaps DHFS could give us a chuck up for the big centenary in 2007.
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Originally Posted by STANDTO
Thanks Shy. No offence taken.
Unfortunate that you never came to have a look at the box your money was kept in. The Isle of Man is 227 square miles, and has 500 miles of roads. a good number of these are derestricted with no upper speed limit. the communities are dispersed, and in order to provide them with first responder ability, have no option but to use vehicles. Also, unlike BWOS deals, we buy vehicles at hugely beneficial rates to ensure taxpayers money is spent wisely. You will be pleased to note however, that foot patrol is the default position and vehicles are merely a means to reach some of the outlying communities, and transport bad people. - oh, and provide a highly visible presence on roads where we still lose about a dozen a year.
I think you were referring to Sark.
I wanted to use air support to assist TT roads policing this year. Guess what - we couldn't afford it. Perhaps DHFS could give us a chuck up for the big centenary in 2007.
Unfortunate that you never came to have a look at the box your money was kept in. The Isle of Man is 227 square miles, and has 500 miles of roads. a good number of these are derestricted with no upper speed limit. the communities are dispersed, and in order to provide them with first responder ability, have no option but to use vehicles. Also, unlike BWOS deals, we buy vehicles at hugely beneficial rates to ensure taxpayers money is spent wisely. You will be pleased to note however, that foot patrol is the default position and vehicles are merely a means to reach some of the outlying communities, and transport bad people. - oh, and provide a highly visible presence on roads where we still lose about a dozen a year.
I think you were referring to Sark.
I wanted to use air support to assist TT roads policing this year. Guess what - we couldn't afford it. Perhaps DHFS could give us a chuck up for the big centenary in 2007.
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Originally Posted by STANDTO
And swanky cars indeed!!! and there is a perfectly good explanation for the Rangey being on the wrong side of the road.
a) It's not on the wrong side of the road, but the steering wheel is!
b) How come a "normal" UK mainland plate on the car (Bonnet scoop on a police car?) and a different one on the Rover?
c) The passenger in the car is looking a bit too happy in his work for my money.
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Scooby is a demonstrator from those nice people at Subaru. That is why it is onthe UK plates. The Range Rover is one of a brace we have just bought.
As for speed cameras - no thanks. At the moment we find the human interface at the end of a Prolaser works just fine.
Shyters - we didn't meet in the toilets at Ronaldsway once did we?
(not as bad as it sounds viewers. The sight of a deperate Puma pilot trying to get access through his immersion suit was rather amusing
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Anyway. I think this thread has caused enough trouble. Long live aviation - especially rotary!
As for speed cameras - no thanks. At the moment we find the human interface at the end of a Prolaser works just fine.
Shyters - we didn't meet in the toilets at Ronaldsway once did we?
(not as bad as it sounds viewers. The sight of a deperate Puma pilot trying to get access through his immersion suit was rather amusing
)Anyway. I think this thread has caused enough trouble. Long live aviation - especially rotary!
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Originally Posted by STANDTO
Shyters - we didn't meet in the toilets at Ronaldsway once did we?
(not as bad as it sounds viewers. The sight of a deperate Puma pilot trying to get access through his immersion suit was rather amusing )
Anyway. I think this thread has caused enough trouble. Long live aviation - especially rotary!
(not as bad as it sounds viewers. The sight of a deperate Puma pilot trying to get access through his immersion suit was rather amusing
)Anyway. I think this thread has caused enough trouble. Long live aviation - especially rotary!
No, I only had trouble getting it back in my immersion suit
Your pilot was probably a Chinook pilot pretending
I agree with your two final sentences! Good fun though.....
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I think you're shooting at the wrong target here. As has been said before the Reds do an outstanding PR job not only for the RAF but for the country as well. If you have issues with their procedural costings wouldn't it be more fitting to target the MoD, the beancounters, the fluffy tree-huggers, or your MP?
I can understand your feelings regarding the perceived lack of funding and logistics the troops experience in the current hot-spots but don't you think we should be able to do both!
. . . we could in the o l d days when we had a bigger Air Force.
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I think you're shooting at the wrong target here. As has been said before the Reds do an outstanding PR job not only for the RAF but for the country as well. If you have issues with their procedural costings wouldn't it be more fitting to target the MoD, the beancounters, the fluffy tree-huggers, or your MP?
I can understand your feelings regarding the perceived lack of funding and logistics the troops experience in the current hot-spots but don't you think we should be able to do both!
. . . we could in the o l d days when we had a bigger Air Force.
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STANDTO: Do the organisers still have problems getting and paying for a helicopter ambulance for the TT? Perhaps if this was pointed out to the RAF, they might be able to use the Red 10 Ferry for something useful.
STANDTO,I am not sure you are being quite transparent in your assertations!(SP?). The Isle of Man is not part of the United Kingdom. Your ass belongs to the Crown as a Crown Dependancy, just as the Channel Islands are. The Crown is responsible for your Defence and that is where the MOD comes in. You have no say in our elected Parliament and as you have waived your right to be taxed by our fantastic UK Parliament, you have also no say in how it spends the UK taxpayers money. You state that you pay a wedge towards defence. If that is so, it will definately be the "thin end" and I would like to see banks tatements to prove it. You are most welcome to our protection from the Viking Hoards and we accept your thanks for our support to what is your country's second largest source of income!! I'm off to lunch....catch the flak later! P.S. Any jobs going???
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Secondly, although we are an offshore jurisdiction, we are part of the British Isles and rely on our Crown for defence. We pay a wedge towards that. I was once a UK tax payer as well, so feel more than justified to ask questions as to how my buck is being spent.
I doubt whether anyone here is responisble for the alleged allocation of one helo to support the reds. If you really do care that much about where your money is spent, I suggest you write to MOD London.
If you want opinions, then fine, But don't get defensive if they don't reflect your views. We are all taxpayers - well those that work are.
I doubt whether anyone here is responisble for the alleged allocation of one helo to support the reds. If you really do care that much about where your money is spent, I suggest you write to MOD London.
If you want opinions, then fine, But don't get defensive if they don't reflect your views. We are all taxpayers - well those that work are.
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We are doing OK for rotary these days. We have 2x355's for both race and practice week racer evacuation, and after someone noticed we had built the new hospital inside the course, we get a (very well flown) Bolkow for public medevac. Depending on how the next few months planning pans out, I am hoping to get a police machine as well.
Widg - sorry, almost full employment - and only 10-18% tax range
Nav - not defensive, just line casting banter.
We are doing OK for rotary these days. We have 2x355's for both race and practice week racer evacuation, and after someone noticed we had built the new hospital inside the course, we get a (very well flown) Bolkow for public medevac. Depending on how the next few months planning pans out, I am hoping to get a police machine as well.
Widg - sorry, almost full employment - and only 10-18% tax range
Nav - not defensive, just line casting banter.
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Lets lay off the Reds shall we. Red 10 is intergral to the flight safety of every display and has to be at the pre-flight brief and the display datum. The brief is the last thing the pilots do before kitting up and strapping in so you can see Red 10 has little time to get to the display location which can be many miles from their base for that display. There is no way the brief can be moved as the pilots require 100% concentration and Red 10 has to have the latest on what the team are intending to do.
At the display he not only provides comentary, but as an experienced display pilot he lets the leader know of any issues which may affect the display, things which may not be obvious to Red 1 as he is concentrating on leading 9 aircraft in close formation at low level pulling high G manouvers.
Yes a helicopter is expensive but nothing compared to the cost of a pilot, aircraft or the reputation of the team, and the helo crew will get training out of it aswell.
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Lets lay off the Reds shall we. Red 10 is intergral to the flight safety of every display and has to be at the pre-flight brief and the display datum. The brief is the last thing the pilots do before kitting up and strapping in so you can see Red 10 has little time to get to the display location which can be many miles from their base for that display. There is no way the brief can be moved as the pilots require 100% concentration and Red 10 has to have the latest on what the team are intending to do.
At the display he not only provides comentary, but as an experienced display pilot he lets the leader know of any issues which may affect the display, things which may not be obvious to Red 1 as he is concentrating on leading 9 aircraft in close formation at low level pulling high G manouvers.
Yes a helicopter is expensive but nothing compared to the cost of a pilot, aircraft or the reputation of the team, and the helo crew will get training out of it aswell.
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Yes, lets stop having fun and taking the p***, after all the red arrows cure cancer, put an end to poverty and stop war around the world.
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Shawshank, at last someone has said something sensible!! The cost in fuel, and that's the only extra cost is negligable compared to the whole and frankly don't you all think we should do the whole thing professionally and not look like we're making the best formation aerobatic team in the world travel by bloody taxi. Giving up their time, I think most pilots enjoy going to the odd airshow.
One final point, Red 10 is only little - not sure he should be on a bus on his own
One final point, Red 10 is only little - not sure he should be on a bus on his own
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God what is the world coming to, I thought this thread was about the red's and then I come across a bunch of rotary mates talking about meetin each other in public toilets. Come on guy's there is a time and a place for things
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well it isnt really aviation is it
Quote: "Long live aviation, esp rotary"
well it isnt really aviation is it
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We got the message the first time. Does your Mum know you are on the computer?
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Originally Posted by Widger
The Isle of Man is not part of the United Kingdom. Your ass belongs to the Crown as a Crown Dependancy, just as the Channel Islands are. The Crown is responsible for your Defence and that is where the MOD comes in. You have no say in our elected Parliament......
Well, it worked once before, didn't it?!