Al Zarqawi is Dead!
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Al Zarqawi is Dead!
Great news from Iraq today....successful airstrike on Al Zarqawi's "unsafe" house after intelligence gathered information from multiple sources that located his hideout. News reports indicated seventeen other Al Qaeda hideouts were identified and monitored for several weeks before the raid. Initial reports said an Iraqi Cleric known to have close ties with Al Zarqawi and other Al Qaeda members was tailed in his travels and in time that effort identified the eighteen locations being used by Al Qaeda.
Great work guys!
Great work guys!
F-16s do a great job!
American F-16 fighter jets dropped two 500lb bombs on an "isolated safe house" about 8km (five miles) north of Baquba at 1815 (1415 GMT) on Wednesday, killing a number of insurgent leaders, including Ahmad Fadil al-Khalayleh - better known as Abu Musab al Zarqawi.
It may not be terribly significant, and it may not make much difference, but it's great to see him dead.
Good job, as they say.
It may not be terribly significant, and it may not make much difference, but it's great to see him dead.
Good job, as they say.
Yes indeed - congratulations to all involved! Even better news was the recovery of an intelligence gold mine which led to simultaneous raids at 17 other locations.
HUD camera shots being shown on TV show his early morning wake-up call being delivered by 2 x F-16s quite graphically!
Mind you, I'd sooner have seen the ba$tard swinging from a rope.
One piece of $hit plus 7 'aides' down - now for bin Liner!
Once again, well done, USA!!
HUD camera shots being shown on TV show his early morning wake-up call being delivered by 2 x F-16s quite graphically!
Mind you, I'd sooner have seen the ba$tard swinging from a rope.
One piece of $hit plus 7 'aides' down - now for bin Liner!
Once again, well done, USA!!
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Originally Posted by BEagle
Mind you, I'd sooner have seen the ba$tard swinging from a rope.!![/b]
There is no war. The b*gg*r was not engaged in an armed act. There was no question of hot pursuit or police shouting out a warning all of which would be in our ROE.
No, just a double tap, SAS style.
So, what are the legalities of exterminating with extreme prejudice when police arrived at the scene shortly afterwards? Was there an option of arresting him, finding him guilty, fair trial and execution?
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QUOTE] Mind you, I'd sooner have seen the ba$tard swinging from a rope.[[/QUOTE]
Getting someone to swing from a rope these days, in the era of "Human Rights", seems to have become an inordinately time-and-money-consuming process. Look at the farcical "due process" being applied to Saddam! It must be costing the West millions.
Much better that someone like Al Zarqawi should be exterminated "evading arrest"
Congrats to the F16 drivers! I wonder if Predators were involved in target acquisition?
Getting someone to swing from a rope these days, in the era of "Human Rights", seems to have become an inordinately time-and-money-consuming process. Look at the farcical "due process" being applied to Saddam! It must be costing the West millions.
Much better that someone like Al Zarqawi should be exterminated "evading arrest"
Congrats to the F16 drivers! I wonder if Predators were involved in target acquisition?
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator
Not disagreeing for one moment just want to raise a little question.
There is no war. The b*gg*r was not engaged in an armed act. There was no question of hot pursuit or police shouting out a warning all of which would be in our ROE.
No, just a double tap, SAS style.
So, what are the legalities of exterminating with extreme prejudice when police arrived at the scene shortly afterwards? Was there an option of arresting him, finding him guilty, fair trial and execution?
There is no war. The b*gg*r was not engaged in an armed act. There was no question of hot pursuit or police shouting out a warning all of which would be in our ROE.
No, just a double tap, SAS style.
So, what are the legalities of exterminating with extreme prejudice when police arrived at the scene shortly afterwards? Was there an option of arresting him, finding him guilty, fair trial and execution?
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator
So, what are the legalities of exterminating with extreme prejudice when police arrived at the scene shortly afterwards? Was there an option of arresting him, finding him guilty, fair trial and execution?
I for one won't be writing to the European Court of Human Rights about the matter though . . . . .. . . .
Glad the scum got schwacked.
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I agree with FFP & Pontius here.
If 'they' knew where he was, why didn't they go and get him & let the new Iraqi government deal with him (however they see fit)?
... but I shan't be shedding any tears. Nor shouting my questions (maybe I should??).
If 'they' knew where he was, why didn't they go and get him & let the new Iraqi government deal with him (however they see fit)?
... but I shan't be shedding any tears. Nor shouting my questions (maybe I should??).
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Getting someone to swing from a rope these days, in the era of "Human Rights", seems to have become an inordinately time-and-money-consuming process. Look at the farcical "due process" being applied to Saddam! It must be costing the West millions.
I thought we were there to show the triumph of law over anarchy and democracy over tyrrany.
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We did that.
We killed him humanely unlike the way he did in people.
You ever watch any of the video's of him hacking off heads of innocent hostages? You ever watch videos or view graphic photos of the thousands of innocent bombing victims killed in his attacks? Ever view photos of the dozens of peopled killed in the Amman wedding bombing?
He got a fair trial.....he confessed on Television to the international press as he bragged about it. Is there any doubt he was guilty? Any doubt that he would continue his murderous campaign against unarmed innocent men, women and children?
Only thing wrong with how this played out is he did not lose his head in the same fashion his victims did....and there is not a hog lot anywhere close by to feed the bloody carcass to a bunch of hungry hogs.
I would turn him into hog poop if I had the power to order it done. But there I go showing my sensitive side again.
We killed him humanely unlike the way he did in people.
You ever watch any of the video's of him hacking off heads of innocent hostages? You ever watch videos or view graphic photos of the thousands of innocent bombing victims killed in his attacks? Ever view photos of the dozens of peopled killed in the Amman wedding bombing?
He got a fair trial.....he confessed on Television to the international press as he bragged about it. Is there any doubt he was guilty? Any doubt that he would continue his murderous campaign against unarmed innocent men, women and children?
Only thing wrong with how this played out is he did not lose his head in the same fashion his victims did....and there is not a hog lot anywhere close by to feed the bloody carcass to a bunch of hungry hogs.
I would turn him into hog poop if I had the power to order it done. But there I go showing my sensitive side again.
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SASless
At the end of WW2 the Allies (including the USSR) went to great lengths to hold War Crimes Trials at which the accused could defend theselves. Some were aquitted.
Summary execution creates Martyrs and aids recruitment.
At the end of WW2 the Allies (including the USSR) went to great lengths to hold War Crimes Trials at which the accused could defend theselves. Some were aquitted.
Summary execution creates Martyrs and aids recruitment.
Glad he is gone but it will not make any difference. In fact, there will be a long line of followers eager to hoist his banner.
Those who whoop for joy at his being blown to bits have a lot in common with those Iraqis dancing in the streets when a soldier is killed.
Not too keen on either brand.
What a bloody mess.
Those who whoop for joy at his being blown to bits have a lot in common with those Iraqis dancing in the streets when a soldier is killed.
Not too keen on either brand.
What a bloody mess.
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As a few others have pointed out on this thread the tone of a few of the messages here is hypocritical. Enemies and allies will be killed through hatred of one another. However, there is nothing to be gained in continuing the hatred of your enemy after his death. The man is dead, lets move on, hopefully in a more positive manner, and leave the gloating for those of lesser character.
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Then why are we over there SASless?
How does that show law triumphing over anarchy? Should we have simply slaughtered the Nazi High Command or did we try to show the world what they had done and that we were better than them? Was there any doubt that Ken Lay or OJ Simpson or Boo Radley were guilty?
What's next? We have no doubt about who should lead the country so we'll just not bother with an election, just install him in power?
If we're not there to show that our way is better than their's then I really don't see the point of being there at all.
How does that show law triumphing over anarchy? Should we have simply slaughtered the Nazi High Command or did we try to show the world what they had done and that we were better than them? Was there any doubt that Ken Lay or OJ Simpson or Boo Radley were guilty?
What's next? We have no doubt about who should lead the country so we'll just not bother with an election, just install him in power?
If we're not there to show that our way is better than their's then I really don't see the point of being there at all.
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Caz,
That is true....but more than a few were shot out of hand as well before the trials began.
Justice does not always require a trial in court....sometimes it may just be delivered. As our dear friend has stated....even OJ escaped justice exactly because of the court. In court, law is administered...not justice.
I would suggest in the case of Al Zarqawi, Justice was delivered to him. The message should be clear (to rational people). If one becomes a mass murderer, bad things will come your way with absolute certainty. Somehow, I think that is just and as it should be.
Unfortunately, we opted for the "court" route with Saddam and see what a farce that is turning into. End result is going to be the same....he is for the high jump ultimately. Those that support him will not consider it "justice" anymore than the survivors of his victims think their loved ones had a "just" end. At least when Saddam dies dancing at the end of a rope, the world will know he deserved it.But then, we know that without a trial, don't we? A White Phosporus Grenade in the hole with Saddam would have been a bunch simpler, cleaner, and less painless for our side.
Thus, I see at some point, trials have no meaning when the evil being prosecuted reaches a point that mere law holds less meaning than the evil done by those receiving the "justice".
If you were in command of troops liberating a Nazi Death Camp and captured the entire gang of guards responsible for several hundreds of thousands of deaths....would you hesitate to stand the whole bunch against a wall and gun them down? It might be "murder" under law, but it would be a "just" killing in my opinion.
That is true....but more than a few were shot out of hand as well before the trials began.
Justice does not always require a trial in court....sometimes it may just be delivered. As our dear friend has stated....even OJ escaped justice exactly because of the court. In court, law is administered...not justice.
I would suggest in the case of Al Zarqawi, Justice was delivered to him. The message should be clear (to rational people). If one becomes a mass murderer, bad things will come your way with absolute certainty. Somehow, I think that is just and as it should be.
Unfortunately, we opted for the "court" route with Saddam and see what a farce that is turning into. End result is going to be the same....he is for the high jump ultimately. Those that support him will not consider it "justice" anymore than the survivors of his victims think their loved ones had a "just" end. At least when Saddam dies dancing at the end of a rope, the world will know he deserved it.But then, we know that without a trial, don't we? A White Phosporus Grenade in the hole with Saddam would have been a bunch simpler, cleaner, and less painless for our side.
Thus, I see at some point, trials have no meaning when the evil being prosecuted reaches a point that mere law holds less meaning than the evil done by those receiving the "justice".
If you were in command of troops liberating a Nazi Death Camp and captured the entire gang of guards responsible for several hundreds of thousands of deaths....would you hesitate to stand the whole bunch against a wall and gun them down? It might be "murder" under law, but it would be a "just" killing in my opinion.