Al Zarqawi is Dead!
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I think a large vote of thanks should also go to the Jordainians who very much found the pieces which made the jigsaw fit together. The F-16 pilot had an easy job - there were plenty on the ground who did the groundwork.
As for the legality - the use of minimum force to achieve an arrest. In his case this could not be carried out without extreme risk to those carrying it out. The airstrike undoubtedly had the permisssion of the Iraqi government so it falls under their sovereignty.
As for the legality - the use of minimum force to achieve an arrest. In his case this could not be carried out without extreme risk to those carrying it out. The airstrike undoubtedly had the permisssion of the Iraqi government so it falls under their sovereignty.
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Pontius, why do you even bother to 'raise the little question'.
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Well actually I would as I have never read that rag
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Absolutely crying shame there couldnt be a trial. I'll cry myself to sleep, thinking that the families of the victims of his wont be able to have their day in court.
On the other hand, perhaps I'll have a beer tonight, and raise my glass to the professionalism of the forces doing their job to protect the free from hideous evil such as this person.
If I had three hands, I'd consider the various pre-death torture methods that could have been inflicted on this piece of $hit in preference to a quick and easy one.
I'll settle for the middle ground.
Good job fellas. Thank you.
On the other hand, perhaps I'll have a beer tonight, and raise my glass to the professionalism of the forces doing their job to protect the free from hideous evil such as this person.
If I had three hands, I'd consider the various pre-death torture methods that could have been inflicted on this piece of $hit in preference to a quick and easy one.
I'll settle for the middle ground.
Good job fellas. Thank you.
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For all you budding lawyers out there.
The Americans believe they are in an INTERNATIONAL armed conflict and their legal heirarchy agree. They are therefore STILL at war (Pontious Navigator and cazatou take note) and anyone who they believe to be their enemy is fair game. They have NO remit to try to apprehend or hand anybody over to anyone should they decide it is in THEIR best interests. Once they decide that the war has ended, then yes, war crimes trials could/should take place, however, as I say, the armed conflict is still taking place according to the Yanks. What we as Brits (incl our Attorney General) believe, matters not a jot in this case, and as the saying goes....."All's fair in love and war"
The Americans believe they are in an INTERNATIONAL armed conflict and their legal heirarchy agree. They are therefore STILL at war (Pontious Navigator and cazatou take note) and anyone who they believe to be their enemy is fair game. They have NO remit to try to apprehend or hand anybody over to anyone should they decide it is in THEIR best interests. Once they decide that the war has ended, then yes, war crimes trials could/should take place, however, as I say, the armed conflict is still taking place according to the Yanks. What we as Brits (incl our Attorney General) believe, matters not a jot in this case, and as the saying goes....."All's fair in love and war"
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Can't believe that some of what I have read here is coming from serving or ex-serving military personnel? Sounds more like the stuff of those who delight in trolling military web sites.
For those who have never had to engage in close quarter street fighting or any kind of covert snatch operation, just have a look at the area surrounding the house Al Zarqawi was in. For that to have been a so called 'safe' house the surrounds would have been loyal to AZ too and as soon as a ground operation commenced they would have been out on the streets with their AK47s and heavy allied casualties would have been a near certainty, even the success of the operation would have been in serious doubt, as having got in the allied ground troops may well have been stopped getting out.
As soon as ground forces moved past the outskirts of the built up area the mobile phones would have been going off too. The targets would have scattered and the ground forces shot to pieces. As it was the surrounds were shocked and subdued by the bombs and armed resistance either fled or just kept their heads down. There are said to be 20,000 insurgents in Iraq.
The West is engaged in a war against terrorism and an air strike was the most expedient and safest way to go, IMHO.
For those who have never had to engage in close quarter street fighting or any kind of covert snatch operation, just have a look at the area surrounding the house Al Zarqawi was in. For that to have been a so called 'safe' house the surrounds would have been loyal to AZ too and as soon as a ground operation commenced they would have been out on the streets with their AK47s and heavy allied casualties would have been a near certainty, even the success of the operation would have been in serious doubt, as having got in the allied ground troops may well have been stopped getting out.
As soon as ground forces moved past the outskirts of the built up area the mobile phones would have been going off too. The targets would have scattered and the ground forces shot to pieces. As it was the surrounds were shocked and subdued by the bombs and armed resistance either fled or just kept their heads down. There are said to be 20,000 insurgents in Iraq.
The West is engaged in a war against terrorism and an air strike was the most expedient and safest way to go, IMHO.
seem to recall a previous attempt at a snatch and grab by the US military in some ****ty little African country; didn't pan out too well.
Suspect the yanks haven't forgotten that one either.
Suspect the yanks haven't forgotten that one either.
Certainly agree re great job - but the bombs were actually dropped by the PILOTS not by the aircraft (inanimate).
I will shed no tears for the man who murdered many, including British citizens. Good job, well done. I'm certain al Zarqawi is now rotting in hell.
Nice work by the F16s, and good work, too, for the intelligence guys who picked him up and tracked him to that location.
I hope and pray it brings peace in Iraq a little closer, and all our boys and girls, US and UK, home.
Nice work by the F16s, and good work, too, for the intelligence guys who picked him up and tracked him to that location.
I hope and pray it brings peace in Iraq a little closer, and all our boys and girls, US and UK, home.
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Come on chaps, is there anyone out there who truly thinks this act was wrong, immoral or what?
I cannot believe it, as soon as the coilition forces have a bit of success and rid the world of a no-good piece of scum, up pop the PC brigade questioning why we didn't capture him and give him a proper trial, and justice! Are you lot real or what? Justice? Is that the same justice that this low-life has meated out to innocent folk?
I only think its sad that we didn't get the opportunity to hack his %&££"*^ head off with a blunt pen knife, and put it on the internet for all the other lunatics to see! That would have been justice!
3.4, FFP & Pontius, for Christs sake gentlemen, wake up. This IS good news you know. You do pi$$ me off.
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I cannot believe it, as soon as the coilition forces have a bit of success and rid the world of a no-good piece of scum, up pop the PC brigade questioning why we didn't capture him and give him a proper trial, and justice! Are you lot real or what? Justice? Is that the same justice that this low-life has meated out to innocent folk?
I only think its sad that we didn't get the opportunity to hack his %&££"*^ head off with a blunt pen knife, and put it on the internet for all the other lunatics to see! That would have been justice!
3.4, FFP & Pontius, for Christs sake gentlemen, wake up. This IS good news you know. You do pi$$ me off.
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Agree 100%. Guy lived by the sword and died by it. Why give him more time to spout his evil rantings in a courtroom - it would only make some scumbag lawyer famous and rich defending him. Grow up kiddies, I would much rather this method than the alternative ground assault with inevitable loss of coalition lives.
Guy deserved it, just hope he's burning merrily in somewhere that isn't paradise
Agree 100%. Guy lived by the sword and died by it. Why give him more time to spout his evil rantings in a courtroom - it would only make some scumbag lawyer famous and rich defending him. Grow up kiddies, I would much rather this method than the alternative ground assault with inevitable loss of coalition lives.
Guy deserved it, just hope he's burning merrily in somewhere that isn't paradise
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The only part that bothers me is the parading of the photo of his dead visage - that's not our way anymore.
But I look forward with interest to seeing how the individuals involved in the strike divvy up the $25m bounty - but of course they won't get it.
But I look forward with interest to seeing how the individuals involved in the strike divvy up the $25m bounty - but of course they won't get it.
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Alternatively, 2 F16s were piloted roughly to an area the size of Wales where their pilots pudged a button, releasing 2 x 500lb bombs that rather cleverly guided themselves to a target using some kind of laser designator or GPS device (don't know which do we?).
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I agree with your observation concerning the trials following the END of WW2. But would you agree that DURING WW2 it was quite in order to take out senior elements of the enemy when opportunities arose? We are engaged IN the war against terrorism, not in the aftermath. So IMHO there is a wide distinction.
Pity that Saddam didn't suffer a similar fate - do you suppose that your point about martyrdom would still not apply after his fair trial and subsequent disposal?
I agree with your observation concerning the trials following the END of WW2. But would you agree that DURING WW2 it was quite in order to take out senior elements of the enemy when opportunities arose? We are engaged IN the war against terrorism, not in the aftermath. So IMHO there is a wide distinction.
Pity that Saddam didn't suffer a similar fate - do you suppose that your point about martyrdom would still not apply after his fair trial and subsequent disposal?
It is not generally well known, but certain high-ranking Nazis were indeed taken for a one way walk in the woods after the end of WW2....
No tears need to be shed for al-Zarqawi. What was the last thing to go through his so-called mind? 500 lb of high explosive. And I hope it b£oody well hurt.
It was necessary to show his corpse to convince the world that he was indeed no more.
No tears need to be shed for al-Zarqawi. What was the last thing to go through his so-called mind? 500 lb of high explosive. And I hope it b£oody well hurt.
It was necessary to show his corpse to convince the world that he was indeed no more.
