Raid on Chemical Bomb factory in London today?
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Originally Posted by Jackonicko
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Who doesn't want free pix of what, getting back to whom?
If there is a legitimate reason for imposing an air exclusion zone, fair enough, of course, but there does need to be some justification.
I'm not up in arms about it, I just wondered if it's akin to the modern police approach in other areas - which seems to be to high handedly and arrogantly take over an area, inconveniencing the public, without explanation, and often without real need, and all for their operational convenience and/or to avoid oversight.
Who doesn't want free pix of what, getting back to whom?
If there is a legitimate reason for imposing an air exclusion zone, fair enough, of course, but there does need to be some justification.
I'm not up in arms about it, I just wondered if it's akin to the modern police approach in other areas - which seems to be to high handedly and arrogantly take over an area, inconveniencing the public, without explanation, and often without real need, and all for their operational convenience and/or to avoid oversight.
I'm not saying they really DO need an AEZ, but there's many possible reasons other than merely wanting to snub the press.
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It is now over 40 hours since the raid which involved, according to media reports, some 500 Police Personnel.
One suspect was shot and wounded and, up to now, NO incriminating evidence has been found.
How long does it take to search a pre WW2 Terraced House?
One suspect was shot and wounded and, up to now, NO incriminating evidence has been found.
How long does it take to search a pre WW2 Terraced House?
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Originally Posted by cazatou
How long does it take to search a pre WW2 Terraced House?
In serious crime scenes contamination precautions almost always means full body "paper" suits and masks. And depending upon the crime and its location theroom / rooms or house may be sealed by plastic and even have a separate shelter for on site initial processing.
The Soham child murders ended up with the whole house covered in scaffolding and plastic. Some views on Friday seemed to indicate scaffolding and plastic going up at least over the front of the house.
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Dont mean that if it aint there that they got the wrong address, i can see a large payout falling the families way if they dont find anything.
although i imagine they`ll be living in a six bedroomed house supplied by the council before long
although i imagine they`ll be living in a six bedroomed house supplied by the council before long
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The house will be searched by just a few Officers to prevent contimination.
I see the Solicitor for the shot man already has her snout in the legal aid trough!. So the Police sauntered into the house, casually shot the man and then beat him up!. Of course these comments are made in the full knowedge that the Police can't respond!
I see the Solicitor for the shot man already has her snout in the legal aid trough!. So the Police sauntered into the house, casually shot the man and then beat him up!. Of course these comments are made in the full knowedge that the Police can't respond!
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Quote BBC
'But the operation has angered some locals, prompting a leaflet to be circulated announcing a meeting to discuss the raid.'
It is nice to see that the 'locals' are protesting about the freedoms that they are forced to live under. On the news report last night Mrs A_D commeneted that the police may wish to have a chat with some of the 'locals' who are 'doing too much complaining' (her words not mine) about the action.
A quote some people on this site are happy to over use springs to mind about 'local unrest', 'if you don't like it leave'.
'But the operation has angered some locals, prompting a leaflet to be circulated announcing a meeting to discuss the raid.'
It is nice to see that the 'locals' are protesting about the freedoms that they are forced to live under. On the news report last night Mrs A_D commeneted that the police may wish to have a chat with some of the 'locals' who are 'doing too much complaining' (her words not mine) about the action.
A quote some people on this site are happy to over use springs to mind about 'local unrest', 'if you don't like it leave'.
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Quote "His lawyer insisted he was shot by police, but they have not confirmed they fired the shot and one report suggests his brother was responsible."
Now i WOULD laugh my arse off it it is true, "Man shoots brother in bungled escape bid"
Now i WOULD laugh my arse off it it is true, "Man shoots brother in bungled escape bid"
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Whilst I do hope it is a "result", it is not far from belief that anything less would be spinned out of all proportion. Nowadays it seems harder and harder to separate spin from fact.
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One week on and it would seem that nothing has been discovered at the address that was raided. The Police request to Magistrates for a Custody extension resulted in only a 36 hour extension.
If nothing is found; will the Commissioner accept the blame this time - or will his namesake rally to his aid again?
Perhaps the contributor who cannot spell his "Rank" would care to comment?
ERR! That's YOU Mustard!!
If nothing is found; will the Commissioner accept the blame this time - or will his namesake rally to his aid again?
Perhaps the contributor who cannot spell his "Rank" would care to comment?
ERR! That's YOU Mustard!!
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Well, Well Well what did the met discover........Okay, so a chemical bomb belt wasn`t found but a large quantity of kiddie porn.
1 arrested for it and a IPCC report into the incident which states
"Based on the findings of an independent forensic scientist, the IPCC has concluded that the discharge was an accident as a result of contact on a narrow staircase between the police officer and the man who was shot."
To me this would indicate a struggle of some sort.
Lets kick this thread into life again
1 arrested for it and a IPCC report into the incident which states
"Based on the findings of an independent forensic scientist, the IPCC has concluded that the discharge was an accident as a result of contact on a narrow staircase between the police officer and the man who was shot."
To me this would indicate a struggle of some sort.
Lets kick this thread into life again
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Colonic Moutard,
To me it would indicate the Policeman had his finger on the trigger. I am not blaming him , rather the "Intelligence" that sent them there. Who, after all, pays the bill for putting the place back together again?
Why release the information that alledged "pornographic material" had been found on a computer belonging to one of the persons arrested in the original raid? That would surely guarantee that any conviction would be quashed on "Appeal" given the high profile of the original raid and the fact that NO criminal charges have been brought so far against either of the brothers.
In that part of London "Secondhand" computers are freely sold in the local markets. In fact, with the viruses that circulate these days, most computer users should be concerned that they could face criminal charges over the contents of their computers if the "Fuzz" ever had access to them.
To me it would indicate the Policeman had his finger on the trigger. I am not blaming him , rather the "Intelligence" that sent them there. Who, after all, pays the bill for putting the place back together again?
Why release the information that alledged "pornographic material" had been found on a computer belonging to one of the persons arrested in the original raid? That would surely guarantee that any conviction would be quashed on "Appeal" given the high profile of the original raid and the fact that NO criminal charges have been brought so far against either of the brothers.
In that part of London "Secondhand" computers are freely sold in the local markets. In fact, with the viruses that circulate these days, most computer users should be concerned that they could face criminal charges over the contents of their computers if the "Fuzz" ever had access to them.
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Let the buyer beware. The offence is to be in possession of it.
"Innocent until proven guilty" is a clear concept - if the prosecution prove that the files are there and you were in possession of the computer, the only possible defence is to prove they were put there by somebody else without your knowledge. That could be quite difficult.
"Innocent until proven guilty" is a clear concept - if the prosecution prove that the files are there and you were in possession of the computer, the only possible defence is to prove they were put there by somebody else without your knowledge. That could be quite difficult.
Perhaps the fact that knew what was in his computer was what caused him to struggle? Otherwise, why would he risk being chargd with attempting to avoid arrest?
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"As to the increasing tendency of the Police to seal off areas in which they are working, my point isn't really to question why they do it, but why they do it so much more today than they did a few years ago, and why 'preserving the crime scene' (at an RTA, for goodness sake) now routinely outweighs the need to keep traffic moving. I'm particularly intrigued as to why a 'whole carriageway closure' is now routine even when an accident is confined to (say) the hard shoulder"
Straightforward enough.
1. protection of the scene to prevent further collisions and injury to the emergency services workers
2. road death standards are now governed by the ACPO road death investigation manual (google it and you will find it) - and rightly so. Someone is usually to blame and should be brought to justice for their involvement. It is very rarely an 'accident'
3. Families want and deserve answers - as the two I have on the go at the moment would tell you.
4. In these days of the highest level of scrutiny at court, the highest level of forensic investigation is required.
and it also gets things like this under way:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/5225062.stm
Straightforward enough.
1. protection of the scene to prevent further collisions and injury to the emergency services workers
2. road death standards are now governed by the ACPO road death investigation manual (google it and you will find it) - and rightly so. Someone is usually to blame and should be brought to justice for their involvement. It is very rarely an 'accident'
3. Families want and deserve answers - as the two I have on the go at the moment would tell you.
4. In these days of the highest level of scrutiny at court, the highest level of forensic investigation is required.
and it also gets things like this under way:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/5225062.stm
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ever thought that once the news reached the brothers that their computer was being examined that the defence solicitor (through anonymous lines) releases partial news to the press that images of some kind are contained within....
thus in turn creating media calls to the met who of course cannot deny or confirm whether the suggestions are true (this in itself ends up leading most journos to believe they are, and printing the story).......
Hence if charges follow the solicitor can argue (and appeal if needs be) that the trial would be biased and the defendant didn`t receive a fair trial....
ever thought that once the news reached the brothers that their computer was being examined that the defence solicitor (through anonymous lines) releases partial news to the press that images of some kind are contained within....
thus in turn creating media calls to the met who of course cannot deny or confirm whether the suggestions are true (this in itself ends up leading most journos to believe they are, and printing the story).......
Hence if charges follow the solicitor can argue (and appeal if needs be) that the trial would be biased and the defendant didn`t receive a fair trial....
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Black Sheep,
Do a google search on the term mens rea.
Example from the Emerald Toilet: If a weapons cache is found on a farmer's land, it would be incumbent upon the prosecution to establish that the landowner was aware of its presence in order for the court to render him culpable.
As regards the shooting, it may have been an accident as a point of civilian law but, IMHO, an ND is an ND. I wonder if a) the officer will face a hoofing big fine from the Met; b) the ceilings of the cells in Paddington Green nick will be buffed to a high finish and/or c) the tourists in Traffy Square will be treated to the sight of a copper jogging around, knees to chest, with a shell above his head?
Do a google search on the term mens rea.
Example from the Emerald Toilet: If a weapons cache is found on a farmer's land, it would be incumbent upon the prosecution to establish that the landowner was aware of its presence in order for the court to render him culpable.
As regards the shooting, it may have been an accident as a point of civilian law but, IMHO, an ND is an ND. I wonder if a) the officer will face a hoofing big fine from the Met; b) the ceilings of the cells in Paddington Green nick will be buffed to a high finish and/or c) the tourists in Traffy Square will be treated to the sight of a copper jogging around, knees to chest, with a shell above his head?