Tony Bliar – What is going on with the Armed Forces?
Thomas. I was confused about your attitude for a while and then I saw that you class UFO's and alternative medicine as interests. Stop smoking the dog pooh and take off the tin foil hat when the sun is shining. After a day or two you will feel a lot better, honest.
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Go to theyfly.com wyler and get your head out o the sand. As for alternative medicine, please go ahead with your statins, low cholesterol diet, and dont supplement, it all in the food you know. Microwave cooking, teflon, aspartame, msg, soy, canola are all goof or you. Yeah.. Live long and prosper!!
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Originally Posted by ThomasT
Go to theyfly.com wyler and get your head out o the sand. As for alternative medicine, please go ahead with your statins, low cholesterol diet, and dont supplement, it all in the food you know. Microwave cooking, teflon, aspartame, msg, soy, canola are all goof or you. Yeah.. Live long and prosper!!
Best 2 min of laughter today, fantastic, it is brilliant, ever get stressed out go there and your day will be brightened.
Blimey they actually believe the drivel. Just goes to show that technology can be wasted.
Democracy has got a lot to answer for. 
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The Martian spaceship designers are not very original are they. Why do these super advanced beings always end up designing ships that look like two dinner plates stuck together.
Particularly like this extremely convincing one!!
http://www.theyfly.com/photos/images/f0829.jpg
Particularly like this extremely convincing one!!
http://www.theyfly.com/photos/images/f0829.jpg
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MLC thats a Dahl ship from a parallel universe. go to enterprisemisson.com for martian stories. The ship fotographed by meier using an olympus film camera in the early eighties was verified by JPL as being a genuine shot. It moves thru 500 light years in a milisecond. Noww, tell me not one guy on this forum has had a UFO sighting. I suppose my two sightings were caused by hallucinating of the planet venus or swamp gas, one of which was a formation of 5 halucinatory ships, formating below us over France, at maybe 20,000' on a London to Rome flight, Super VC10, 1972, And why< did we carry, and fill out the UFO report forms, from our flight bag? Oh yes, for halucinatory martian saucers, no doubt.
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If you want more laughs wylie wyler, go to enterprisemission.com for more jokes, as taken by the moon landed yanks with their hasselblad cameras, and the previous civilizations on Mars that nasa forgot to airbrush out.
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Originally Posted by ThomasT
MLC thats a Dahl ship from a parallel universe. go to enterprisemisson.com for martian stories. The ship fotographed by meier using an olympus film camera in the early eighties was verified by JPL as being a genuine shot. It moves thru 500 light years in a milisecond. Noww, tell me not one guy on this forum has had a UFO sighting. I suppose my two sightings were caused by hallucinating of the planet venus or swamp gas, one of which was a formation of 5 halucinatory ships, formating below us over France, at maybe 20,000' on a London to Rome flight, Super VC10, 1972, And why< did we carry, and fill out the UFO report forms, from our flight bag? Oh yes, for halucinatory martian saucers, no doubt.
Does the term...wibble...mean anything to you!
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Ratty, I mean, like, well who totched you geograffi, we all noe that Vienna iz in Botswana not Switzerland. Yorr teecha musta hav bin quite dim, like.
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You earlier wrote
You would presumably also subscribe to the theory, popular in the Middle East, that the WTC attack was organised by world Jewish forces, to smear the good name of Islam, and that personnel of the Jewish race were warned-off attending work at the WTC on the fateful day of 9 September 2001, so as to avoid casualties amongst the chosen?
You earlier wrote
And why havent you challenged a single point on my essay re the fivagon boeing??? All based on photographic, eyewitness, and radar data...and why does the FBI refuse to hand over the remaining 84 security tapes in their possession??
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Perhaps back on thread now?
It's time Blair supported our Forces
Con Coughlin, Daily Telegraph, 08/06/2006
It's time Blair supported our Forces
Con Coughlin, Daily Telegraph, 08/06/2006
Tony Blair has been loyally served by Britain's Armed Forces during his nine-year tenure as Prime Minister. But it is unlikely that many members of the Armed Forces would say the same today about the Blair Government.
In Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan and Iraq, soldiers, sailors and airmen have acquitted themselves with distinction in difficult circumstances, and in so doing have enabled Mr Blair to establish his credentials as a world statesman.
Of all the missions undertaken by British troops since 1997, the task of overthrowing Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq in the spring of 2003 was the most challenging and controversial.
Whatever private reservations senior officers entertained about the wisdom and necessity of the war, they nevertheless conducted a brilliant military campaign that succeeded in achieving all its stated objectives within the space of just three weeks.
Having served their country with courage, the least our servicemen and women might have expected in return was the support, if not the gratitude, of the Government. In fact, the opposite has proved to be the case.
Instead of rewarding the Armed Forces for their efforts, the Labour Government - acting on the instructions of its pacifist-minded Chancellor, Gordon Brown - has seen Britain's cherished regimental structure torn asunder.
Spending has been reduced to such a level that the Army is unable even to provide troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan with sufficient protection against the sophisticated roadside bombs being used to kill and maim them by Islamic militants.
But, arguably, the Government's most egregious act of betrayal has been its eagerness to prosecute British soldiers for war crimes on what appear to be the flimsiest of pretexts.
The collapse this week of yet another high-profile court martial, in which three soldiers were cleared of murdering a 15-year-old Iraqi looter, has yet again highlighted the Government's readiness to make an example of servicemen even when all the evidence suggests that they were simply carrying out their duties in the most challenging of circumstances.
John Reid, the former defence secretary, argued that prosecutions such as these were necessary "to uphold the integrity of the Army", while Robin Cook declared that the prosecution of British troops was ultimately for their own good.
The fact that Dr Reid, a Blair loyalist, and the late Mr Cook, who was latterly a prominent Blair antagonist, held similar views illustrates just how deeply the culture of political correctness is embedded in New Labour.
Much of this mindset derives from Mr Blair himself, who has made much of the need to bring a moral dimension to resolving international conflicts, and has insisted that this holier-than-thou approach be applied to the conduct of Britain's Armed Forces even when deployed on foreign battlefields.
Consequently, before the invasion of Iraq had even begun, the Royal Military Police were given strict instructions that any personnel acting outside the rules of engagement would be held to account, and that any incident involving the shooting of an Iraqi or alleged abuse of Iraqi citizens would be thoroughly investigated.
Since the end of hostilities, the Army's Special Investigations Branch has looked into upwards of 200 cases of alleged unlawful behaviour by soldiers in Iraq, most of them relating to the fire fights that erupt with increasing frequency with local militia and insurgent groups.
While no one - least of all senior commanders - should ignore those instances in which there is clear evidence that a war crime has been committed, the problem facing investigating officers is that any alleged offence committed in combat is by definition a very different proposition to one committed in civilian life.
Take the circumstances surrounding the prosecution of the three guardsmen acquitted this week. They were struggling to bring under control the widespread looting that erupted throughout Iraq in the immediate aftermath of Saddam's overthrow.
The British Army's eventual success in pacifying the southern sector around Basra meant that, for a long period after the war, they enjoyed good relations with the local community. This was achieved despite the fact that the authorities in London - as the court martial embarrassingly revealed - were incapable of providing clear guidance on how to deal with the looters.
The rules of engagement set to prosecute the war were deemed wholly inadequate for winning the peace. Left to their own devices, British commanders devised the unorthodox tactic of "wetting" suspected looters - forcing them into ditches and dykes filled with effluent - which was aimed at persuading them to desist from their looting activities. The case surrounding the three acquitted guardsmen related to 15-year-old Ahmed Jabar Khateem, who drowned after being forced into the Shatt al-Arab canal.
It could be argued that the adoption of such a crude tactic would have been unnecessary had political correctness not prevented commanding officers from applying the traditional Army method for dealing with civil disobedience, in which for generations officers have been taught to give the order: "Disperse, or we shoot."
What most service personnel find particularly galling is that, rather than being commended for showing initiative in resolving a potentially catastrophic situation for the military in southern Iraq, the Government appeared more focused on making an example of the three soldiers held responsible for Khateem's death.
But then, anyone serving on the front line in the so-called war on terror is well aware that safeguarding human rights and respecting the sensibilities of ethnic groups can often merit the same priority as preventing suicide attacks on the London Underground, as the police responsible for conducting last week's raid on a suspected terror cell in Forest Gate have discovered.
There is a growing body of evidence that last year's London bombings could have been avoided if MI5 had properly investigated Mohammed Sidique Khan, the suicide bombers' ringleader.
On that basis, the Metropolitan Police would have been failing in its duty had it not acted on intelligence passed to it by MI5 that the house in Forest Gate was being used to prepare a cyanide attack on central London.
After local Muslim community leaders protested vociferously about the raids, Mr Blair made a public declaration in support of the police tactics. There are many in the Armed Forces who yearn for the day that they receive similar backing from Whitehall.
• Con Coughlin is the author of 'American Ally: Tony Blair and the War on Terror'
In Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan and Iraq, soldiers, sailors and airmen have acquitted themselves with distinction in difficult circumstances, and in so doing have enabled Mr Blair to establish his credentials as a world statesman.
Of all the missions undertaken by British troops since 1997, the task of overthrowing Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq in the spring of 2003 was the most challenging and controversial.
Whatever private reservations senior officers entertained about the wisdom and necessity of the war, they nevertheless conducted a brilliant military campaign that succeeded in achieving all its stated objectives within the space of just three weeks.
Having served their country with courage, the least our servicemen and women might have expected in return was the support, if not the gratitude, of the Government. In fact, the opposite has proved to be the case.
Instead of rewarding the Armed Forces for their efforts, the Labour Government - acting on the instructions of its pacifist-minded Chancellor, Gordon Brown - has seen Britain's cherished regimental structure torn asunder.
Spending has been reduced to such a level that the Army is unable even to provide troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan with sufficient protection against the sophisticated roadside bombs being used to kill and maim them by Islamic militants.
But, arguably, the Government's most egregious act of betrayal has been its eagerness to prosecute British soldiers for war crimes on what appear to be the flimsiest of pretexts.
The collapse this week of yet another high-profile court martial, in which three soldiers were cleared of murdering a 15-year-old Iraqi looter, has yet again highlighted the Government's readiness to make an example of servicemen even when all the evidence suggests that they were simply carrying out their duties in the most challenging of circumstances.
John Reid, the former defence secretary, argued that prosecutions such as these were necessary "to uphold the integrity of the Army", while Robin Cook declared that the prosecution of British troops was ultimately for their own good.
The fact that Dr Reid, a Blair loyalist, and the late Mr Cook, who was latterly a prominent Blair antagonist, held similar views illustrates just how deeply the culture of political correctness is embedded in New Labour.
Much of this mindset derives from Mr Blair himself, who has made much of the need to bring a moral dimension to resolving international conflicts, and has insisted that this holier-than-thou approach be applied to the conduct of Britain's Armed Forces even when deployed on foreign battlefields.
Consequently, before the invasion of Iraq had even begun, the Royal Military Police were given strict instructions that any personnel acting outside the rules of engagement would be held to account, and that any incident involving the shooting of an Iraqi or alleged abuse of Iraqi citizens would be thoroughly investigated.
Since the end of hostilities, the Army's Special Investigations Branch has looked into upwards of 200 cases of alleged unlawful behaviour by soldiers in Iraq, most of them relating to the fire fights that erupt with increasing frequency with local militia and insurgent groups.
While no one - least of all senior commanders - should ignore those instances in which there is clear evidence that a war crime has been committed, the problem facing investigating officers is that any alleged offence committed in combat is by definition a very different proposition to one committed in civilian life.
Take the circumstances surrounding the prosecution of the three guardsmen acquitted this week. They were struggling to bring under control the widespread looting that erupted throughout Iraq in the immediate aftermath of Saddam's overthrow.
The British Army's eventual success in pacifying the southern sector around Basra meant that, for a long period after the war, they enjoyed good relations with the local community. This was achieved despite the fact that the authorities in London - as the court martial embarrassingly revealed - were incapable of providing clear guidance on how to deal with the looters.
The rules of engagement set to prosecute the war were deemed wholly inadequate for winning the peace. Left to their own devices, British commanders devised the unorthodox tactic of "wetting" suspected looters - forcing them into ditches and dykes filled with effluent - which was aimed at persuading them to desist from their looting activities. The case surrounding the three acquitted guardsmen related to 15-year-old Ahmed Jabar Khateem, who drowned after being forced into the Shatt al-Arab canal.
It could be argued that the adoption of such a crude tactic would have been unnecessary had political correctness not prevented commanding officers from applying the traditional Army method for dealing with civil disobedience, in which for generations officers have been taught to give the order: "Disperse, or we shoot."
What most service personnel find particularly galling is that, rather than being commended for showing initiative in resolving a potentially catastrophic situation for the military in southern Iraq, the Government appeared more focused on making an example of the three soldiers held responsible for Khateem's death.
But then, anyone serving on the front line in the so-called war on terror is well aware that safeguarding human rights and respecting the sensibilities of ethnic groups can often merit the same priority as preventing suicide attacks on the London Underground, as the police responsible for conducting last week's raid on a suspected terror cell in Forest Gate have discovered.
There is a growing body of evidence that last year's London bombings could have been avoided if MI5 had properly investigated Mohammed Sidique Khan, the suicide bombers' ringleader.
On that basis, the Metropolitan Police would have been failing in its duty had it not acted on intelligence passed to it by MI5 that the house in Forest Gate was being used to prepare a cyanide attack on central London.
After local Muslim community leaders protested vociferously about the raids, Mr Blair made a public declaration in support of the police tactics. There are many in the Armed Forces who yearn for the day that they receive similar backing from Whitehall.
• Con Coughlin is the author of 'American Ally: Tony Blair and the War on Terror'
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Originally Posted by mlc
The Martian spaceship designers are not very original are they. Why do these super advanced beings always end up designing ships that look like two dinner plates stuck together.
Particularly like this extremely convincing one!!
http://www.theyfly.com/photos/images/f0829.jpg
Particularly like this extremely convincing one!!
http://www.theyfly.com/photos/images/f0829.jpg
