Harry's Passing Out
Jonathan Ross remarked that after his graduation he spent the evening in Chelsea (sic) and then went clubbing.
Chelsy is a game looking bird, certainly.
Chelsy is a game looking bird, certainly.
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Jacko, this is not the sort of place where your critique of a Royal would be generally welcome - hence the barbed comments.
Re: drugs. Most of us abhore the use of drugs and their use during time in the Forces. Users get no sympathy when they are chucked out immediately. Many of us disagree with recruiting those who have used drugs pre-service, but we have had to accept many things we don't like as the Forces move along with the times.
You are in no position to judge whether or not he will TURN INTO a fine soldier - some right wets graduate and turn into exceptional leaders. Unless you are involved in the training and assessment of the potential of such men, you really cannot guage how they are likely to turn out. Also remember, the military colleges do no more than teach them the basics and give them a survival kit for them to fall back on as they gain experience in the real military world.
I don't know how Prince Harry will turn out. I met both P Charles and P Andrew in their early years in the Forces and was not particularly impressed; however, I have watched them mature into fine men [and I take the media view with a big bag of salt].
That he has graduated after the rigours of RMA training is testiment to his courage and determination - he will not have been given any quarter by virtue of his status in life. Those that trained alongside him are in a much better position than any of us to judge how he faired.
Good luck to the man.
Re: drugs. Most of us abhore the use of drugs and their use during time in the Forces. Users get no sympathy when they are chucked out immediately. Many of us disagree with recruiting those who have used drugs pre-service, but we have had to accept many things we don't like as the Forces move along with the times.
You are in no position to judge whether or not he will TURN INTO a fine soldier - some right wets graduate and turn into exceptional leaders. Unless you are involved in the training and assessment of the potential of such men, you really cannot guage how they are likely to turn out. Also remember, the military colleges do no more than teach them the basics and give them a survival kit for them to fall back on as they gain experience in the real military world.
I don't know how Prince Harry will turn out. I met both P Charles and P Andrew in their early years in the Forces and was not particularly impressed; however, I have watched them mature into fine men [and I take the media view with a big bag of salt].
That he has graduated after the rigours of RMA training is testiment to his courage and determination - he will not have been given any quarter by virtue of his status in life. Those that trained alongside him are in a much better position than any of us to judge how he faired.
Good luck to the man.
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I say good luck to him. He had an awful lot more pressure on him than I did going through Officer training and I will not make comment on what he did as a teenager, but look forward to seeing what he does as an officer. He didn’t have to join the army, but chose to do so.
I know a number of good officers who before they joined the forces had a somewhat colourful history channelling energy in the wrong direction, myself included.
I know a number of good officers who before they joined the forces had a somewhat colourful history channelling energy in the wrong direction, myself included.
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jackoff-nickoff,
If it is a choice between Harry and you in combat, I suspect nearly everyone here would choose to stand by Harry.
For someone who is neither aircrew or military you have more neck than a heard of giraffes. Let me guess...you work for News of the World?
If it is a choice between Harry and you in combat, I suspect nearly everyone here would choose to stand by Harry.
For someone who is neither aircrew or military you have more neck than a heard of giraffes. Let me guess...you work for News of the World?
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Originally Posted by nutcracker43
He bashed a journalist who was doing what he shouldn't have been doing (any self respecting person would have done the same, I hope).
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you are on a loser here. I doubt you will get any support for your comments from members of the services. We all can empathise with what he has achieved and he has done it on merit, not through favouritism. He has achieved great things as have all of the cadets on his intake. The fact he scraped through his exams is irrelevant (my son scraped through his, a bright articulate young man - but he has mild dyslexia and doesnt do exams. Harry could be the same), whatever, he deserves a break and is not doing anything a young guy of 20 wouldnt do. I will never forget a Warrant Officer in the CIO when i was looking at joining up. I nervously asked him if a small altercation i had had with the police when i was 16 would hinder my chances of selection for aircrew. He looked me straight in the eye and said 'Young Man the Battle of Britain was not one by Angels'
Harry may not have the correct criteria for making a good staff officer but the Army needs fighters not writers.
you are on a loser here. I doubt you will get any support for your comments from members of the services. We all can empathise with what he has achieved and he has done it on merit, not through favouritism. He has achieved great things as have all of the cadets on his intake. The fact he scraped through his exams is irrelevant (my son scraped through his, a bright articulate young man - but he has mild dyslexia and doesnt do exams. Harry could be the same), whatever, he deserves a break and is not doing anything a young guy of 20 wouldnt do. I will never forget a Warrant Officer in the CIO when i was looking at joining up. I nervously asked him if a small altercation i had had with the police when i was 16 would hinder my chances of selection for aircrew. He looked me straight in the eye and said 'Young Man the Battle of Britain was not one by Angels'
Harry may not have the correct criteria for making a good staff officer but the Army needs fighters not writers.
Lynx,
Since you are clearly unable to understand basic English (I've explicitely deplored both tabloid journos and paparazzi) there's little point in arguing with you.
And while I'm not military, I am a pilot, and I have earned an RAF aircrew brevet, albeit only 'budgie wings'.
FJJP,
You're probably right, though I see no merit in defending anyone based simply on who they are, and so far, this young man has done little to enhance the reputations of two usually admirable institutions, the Royal Family and the British Army.
Since you are clearly unable to understand basic English (I've explicitely deplored both tabloid journos and paparazzi) there's little point in arguing with you.
And while I'm not military, I am a pilot, and I have earned an RAF aircrew brevet, albeit only 'budgie wings'.
FJJP,
You're probably right, though I see no merit in defending anyone based simply on who they are, and so far, this young man has done little to enhance the reputations of two usually admirable institutions, the Royal Family and the British Army.
We all can empathise with what he has achieved and he has done it on merit, not through favouritism.
Captain of his school 'Whatever he plays in team' , what chance do NORMAL people have when these out-dated relics of the Monarchy decide to have a 'career' in the military.
PS: Has he made 1st Lt, Captain or Major yet, after all it is nearly a week since graduation.
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That, and the fact that he was granted honorary American citizenship (there have only been five as I understand it)
NC43
That, and the fact that he was granted honorary American citizenship (there have only been five as I understand it)
NC43
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Rightly or wrongly I could have got into BRNC on 5 O-levels on the SL Aircrew engagement I signed up for in 1978. Such an entrant could then have applied for a GL transfer, and now be at least a Captain/Commodore if selected. At least one of my coursemates is now a Commander, and I'm fairly sure he left school at 16.
The RAF went towards an all-graduate entry in the 80s, and have since rowed back from it.
Rightly or wrongly I could have got into BRNC on 5 O-levels on the SL Aircrew engagement I signed up for in 1978. Such an entrant could then have applied for a GL transfer, and now be at least a Captain/Commodore if selected. At least one of my coursemates is now a Commander, and I'm fairly sure he left school at 16.
The RAF went towards an all-graduate entry in the 80s, and have since rowed back from it.
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Originally Posted by Tigs2
Young Man the Battle of Britain was not one by Angels'
Harry may not have the correct criteria for making a good staff officer but the Army needs fighters not writers.
Harry may not have the correct criteria for making a good staff officer but the Army needs fighters not writers.
I guess English 'O' level was out of the question then?...its WON not one
Loadie Tigs2?
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Jacko
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The RAF went towards an all-graduate entry in the 80s, and have since rowed back from it.
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The RAF went towards an all-graduate entry in the 80s, and have since rowed back from it.
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I went to Dartmouth wih 5 O' Levels in the early nineties. I was in my early 20's and had spent 5 years as a chargehand in the electricity industry. I feel there was a significant difference between friends with a similar background and those straight out of Uni with a music degree.
They however, got quite a few years seniority. Never did work it out!
They however, got quite a few years seniority. Never did work it out!
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Originally Posted by Tigs2
Pigsin
Thank you it was just an SP. Ever made any yourself? Love to know why if someone makes an SP you think they are a Loadie? No i am not.
Thank you it was just an SP. Ever made any yourself? Love to know why if someone makes an SP you think they are a Loadie? No i am not.
Loadie and spelling test a few words that just don't go together!
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Originally Posted by Jackonicko
...I've explicitely deplored both tabloid journos and paparazzi...
Originally Posted by Jackonicko
And while I'm not military, I am a pilot, and I have earned an RAF aircrew brevet, albeit only 'budgie wings'.
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