Future Carrier (Including Costs)
So we spend squillions on new aircraft carriers which sit well off shore out of harms way, we then spend squillions more giving them an amphibious capability (cutting a big hole in them to fit landing craft?) which means they have to get in close to deploy said capability! What next - add bigger guns and make them battleships as well, or SAMs to add AD frigate capability, or perhaps submarines?
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So we spend squillions on new aircraft carriers which sit well off shore out of harms way, we then spend squillions more giving them an amphibious capability (cutting a big hole in them to fit landing craft?) which means they have to get in close to deploy said capability! What next - add bigger guns and make them battleships as well, or SAMs to add AD frigate capability, or perhaps submarines?
The thought of how much it would cost to put a well deck in a QEC does not bear thinking about.
The thought of how much it would cost to put a well deck in a QEC does not bear thinking about.
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Not quite sure what that comment has to do with the subject being discussed here glad rag...
Are you saying that recruiters aren't getting 'out there' to 'get their hands dirty', and that you see that being the issue from your perspective as a Serviceman? Engineering is certainly an area where there are Attract/Recruit issues, that's for sure. Hence the STEM initiative being pushed amongst the youth.
Are you saying that recruiters aren't getting 'out there' to 'get their hands dirty', and that you see that being the issue from your perspective as a Serviceman? Engineering is certainly an area where there are Attract/Recruit issues, that's for sure. Hence the STEM initiative being pushed amongst the youth.
As boffin points out, the force would be delivered by helo, and as the article states: "...the intent is for the ship to be able to deliver ashore by air an assault force up to two companies strong..."
So we are not talking about landing craft. The problem seems to be that the word "amphibious" seem to conjure up to many a landing craft opening the bow ramp on the beach at Omaha beach...but things have evolved a bit in the last 70 years....
The Iwo Jima class "Amphibious Assault Ship" was really a helo carrier with no well deck, just like the more recent USS America. Glad to see they are going back to the well deck for later LHA's. This is more like the Commando concept on HERMES (or Ocean).
So we are not talking about landing craft. The problem seems to be that the word "amphibious" seem to conjure up to many a landing craft opening the bow ramp on the beach at Omaha beach...but things have evolved a bit in the last 70 years....
The Iwo Jima class "Amphibious Assault Ship" was really a helo carrier with no well deck, just like the more recent USS America. Glad to see they are going back to the well deck for later LHA's. This is more like the Commando concept on HERMES (or Ocean).
Even so, to deliver an assault force (even by Chinook or Merlin) will require this valuable asset to be much closer inshore than the original concept, so more air and sea defences would be required - although of course we have plenty of other ships to provide that as well (don't we?).
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The RN will just have to wing it, cuff it as best it can. that's the attitude of those in charge.. these ships are now just big grey spaces that have to be filled, or seen to be used, to avoid further embarrassment to all and sundry. I mean its not ideal is it? Where are they thinking of actually using them in this role? Because if its recent traditional i.e. top end of the NAG then that sea is shallow, fraught with peril for such a role.
Most amphib are not really like a big carrier....
This country and how it treats its AF is beyond a ******* joke.
If its a big carrier we wanted then make it and equip it and use it as such.
It will all end in many tears.
Most amphib are not really like a big carrier....
This country and how it treats its AF is beyond a ******* joke.
If its a big carrier we wanted then make it and equip it and use it as such.
It will all end in many tears.
The RN will just have to wing it, cuff it as best it can. that's the attitude of those in charge.. these ships are now just big grey spaces that have to be filled, or seen to be used, to avoid further embarrassment to all and sundry. I mean its not ideal is it? Where are they thinking of actually using them in this role? Because if its recent traditional i.e. top end of the NAG then that sea is shallow, fraught with peril for such a role.
Most amphib are not really like a big carrier....
This country and how it treats its AF is beyond a ******* joke.
If its a big carrier we wanted then make it and equip it and use it as such.
It will all end in many tears.
Most amphib are not really like a big carrier....
This country and how it treats its AF is beyond a ******* joke.
If its a big carrier we wanted then make it and equip it and use it as such.
It will all end in many tears.
Why on earth would a CV go near the "top end of the NAG"?
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I wonder if Hangarshuffle is talking about the use of a CVS in a LPH role -such as Ark Royal during Telic in early 2003?
Off the top of my head, Hermes carried Junglies as well as Sea Harriers, ASW Sea Kings and later Harrier GR3s during the Falklands War. American carriers have been used as platforms for helicopters and Special Forces on occasion in recent years.
Off the top of my head, Hermes carried Junglies as well as Sea Harriers, ASW Sea Kings and later Harrier GR3s during the Falklands War. American carriers have been used as platforms for helicopters and Special Forces on occasion in recent years.
Off the top of my head, Hermes carried Junglies as well as Sea Harriers, ASW Sea Kings and later Harrier GR3s during the Falklands War. American carriers have been used as platforms for helicopters and Special Forces on occasion in recent years.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Where are they thinking of actually using them in this role? Because if its recent traditional i.e. top end of the NAG then that sea is shallow, fraught with peril for such a role.
Exocet didn't do anything to an aluminium warship on Corporate.........
This thing wasn't anything approximating to a warship either.
It's afloat because missiles don't (usually) let water in. They do tend to ruin the interior trim though - particularly if the ship they hit is not designed as a warship......
This thing wasn't anything approximating to a warship either.
It's afloat because missiles don't (usually) let water in. They do tend to ruin the interior trim though - particularly if the ship they hit is not designed as a warship......
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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