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Wilki:
Your argument will have far more credibility if you don't winge! Come up with a plan that answers all the excuses that may come at you.
The next stage is to sell it to the Execs. There will always be those that require a hard sell but slowly, slowly catch the monkey. Ultimately, you have to sell it to the Sqn boss. Be positive! Highlight what he will gain for his Sqn. Give specific examples that may be affecting the Sqn, issues such as manning, and then give solutions. Build the credibility of empowerment by providing answers and eventually he should see the light. More importantly he will realise the assets he has.
Your argument will have far more credibility if you don't winge! Come up with a plan that answers all the excuses that may come at you.
The next stage is to sell it to the Execs. There will always be those that require a hard sell but slowly, slowly catch the monkey. Ultimately, you have to sell it to the Sqn boss. Be positive! Highlight what he will gain for his Sqn. Give specific examples that may be affecting the Sqn, issues such as manning, and then give solutions. Build the credibility of empowerment by providing answers and eventually he should see the light. More importantly he will realise the assets he has.
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The Way Forward, Maybe?
There have been a lot of really constructive and heartfelt contributions to this thread, but the question still out there; where do we go from here?
Is there anything to be gained from holding an ALM conference with a wider spectrum of views than the old 'Loadie Leaders Conference'? The matter of empowerment would certainly be a riviting area for many of us and would probably culminate in a united way forward.
The most important thing is that we, as a trade, come together with a strategy to tackle what is obviously a real threat to advancement for our experienced and thoroughly professional senior ALMs. We did this for the recent trade review, and even though the powers that be are still sitting on the results, we presented ourselves in a much better light than the last review which resulted in the injustice of lower-banding the ALM FS's & MACr. This example of a focused and united front has demonstrated what we can achieve when we set our minds on something, especially when important issues are at stake.
Is there anything to be gained from holding an ALM conference with a wider spectrum of views than the old 'Loadie Leaders Conference'? The matter of empowerment would certainly be a riviting area for many of us and would probably culminate in a united way forward.
The most important thing is that we, as a trade, come together with a strategy to tackle what is obviously a real threat to advancement for our experienced and thoroughly professional senior ALMs. We did this for the recent trade review, and even though the powers that be are still sitting on the results, we presented ourselves in a much better light than the last review which resulted in the injustice of lower-banding the ALM FS's & MACr. This example of a focused and united front has demonstrated what we can achieve when we set our minds on something, especially when important issues are at stake.
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Top idea. 2 items for the agenda:
1. The "Branch Sponsor" to outline the policy/future of empowerment?
2. A review of management and leadership trg for NCA (Sgt FS MACR).
Any thoughts from the forum?
Top idea. 2 items for the agenda:
1. The "Branch Sponsor" to outline the policy/future of empowerment?
2. A review of management and leadership trg for NCA (Sgt FS MACR).
Any thoughts from the forum?
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The reason for the removal of MACR is quite simple actually, its because he cannot be seen to do the job better than his commissioned bretherin.
Tourist, your comments are a little childish with all that nonesense about hard work at school etc. You and I both know that the 'average' MACR is a far better organiser and frankly a better manager than most flt cdrs. I have worked with flight commanders who at best are average and at worst are a danger!
I'm all for the Masters!!
Yours Aye
The Winco
Tourist, your comments are a little childish with all that nonesense about hard work at school etc. You and I both know that the 'average' MACR is a far better organiser and frankly a better manager than most flt cdrs. I have worked with flight commanders who at best are average and at worst are a danger!
I'm all for the Masters!!
Yours Aye
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CBTL,
It was not a whinge, it is clear that on the Sqn that has retained a Flt Cdr that the system works, in comparison on the other it is falling apart. Elsewhere on the Sqns there are differences but it is fact that despite some of the finest in the NCA world being excellent leaders, motivators and organisers there still exists the FS and Masters who are not, They are what has usurped the empowerment, by at times being seen publicly to be in conflict with those that have been put in the position through hard work. Hence the comment 'brought on themselves'.
The only ones who can regain this initiative are the ones with the commissioned voice, it is up to them to put the strategy forward and to staff the case that is why they attend ISS and JOCC. There are now more SO2 ALM's than there were, it is now time for them to earn their pay and lead the immensely loyal NCA back into a profession with a career path. You would be surprised how many senior officers dont see it working and are concerned.
I pray it will recover for there is nowhere to go other than for NCA to get a commission in another branch. Just a thought, will there ever come a time when the Ops Officer will take over the programming as well!!
It was not a whinge, it is clear that on the Sqn that has retained a Flt Cdr that the system works, in comparison on the other it is falling apart. Elsewhere on the Sqns there are differences but it is fact that despite some of the finest in the NCA world being excellent leaders, motivators and organisers there still exists the FS and Masters who are not, They are what has usurped the empowerment, by at times being seen publicly to be in conflict with those that have been put in the position through hard work. Hence the comment 'brought on themselves'.
The only ones who can regain this initiative are the ones with the commissioned voice, it is up to them to put the strategy forward and to staff the case that is why they attend ISS and JOCC. There are now more SO2 ALM's than there were, it is now time for them to earn their pay and lead the immensely loyal NCA back into a profession with a career path. You would be surprised how many senior officers dont see it working and are concerned.
I pray it will recover for there is nowhere to go other than for NCA to get a commission in another branch. Just a thought, will there ever come a time when the Ops Officer will take over the programming as well!!
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Just a thought for you reference SO3 jobs.
I was down at the Multi-Engine Users Operators Liaison Day down at Cranwell a few years ago, 2 Sqn Ldrs from PMA, stood up and said that the MACR could get the SO3 jobs that no one wanted. As the only NCA in the audience, I stored this comment for further use. I later mentioned this to AMP during a station visit, who said he'd sort them out. However, just shows you the mentality of some of our supposed leaders.
I was down at the Multi-Engine Users Operators Liaison Day down at Cranwell a few years ago, 2 Sqn Ldrs from PMA, stood up and said that the MACR could get the SO3 jobs that no one wanted. As the only NCA in the audience, I stored this comment for further use. I later mentioned this to AMP during a station visit, who said he'd sort them out. However, just shows you the mentality of some of our supposed leaders.
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Wilkie,
I think you are probably right, but it is unfair to penalise the rest of the MACR world just because of a few bad ones. Lets face it, if the Officer, Flt Cdr, Sqn Cdr world worked on the same principal, there wouldn't be many of them either would there?
I tend to agree with the Winco when he says that those at the top are not prepared to alllow it to be seen that a MACR can (AND PROBABLY WAS) doing a much better job then the commisioned chap.
Give me a MACR anytime, you at least know where you stand with them, good or bad!
Kind regards
TSM
I think you are probably right, but it is unfair to penalise the rest of the MACR world just because of a few bad ones. Lets face it, if the Officer, Flt Cdr, Sqn Cdr world worked on the same principal, there wouldn't be many of them either would there?
I tend to agree with the Winco when he says that those at the top are not prepared to alllow it to be seen that a MACR can (AND PROBABLY WAS) doing a much better job then the commisioned chap.
Give me a MACR anytime, you at least know where you stand with them, good or bad!
Kind regards
TSM
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I for one am quite happy with my MACR lot. I'll admit that I walked into Biggen Hill with the hopes and dreams of being a Pilot or worst case a Nav and left wondering what the AEOp trade I had just volunteered for was all about.
Still I have enjoyed just about every moment of my time in the trade. The one drawback that I have is the lack of different postings available to us. Therefore the prospect of an "Empowered Role" sounds great to me. I am not a level 28 Flt Lt so don't expect to be paid as one. I have reached the very top of the NCA rank tree and feel a great deal of personal pride in doing so. I know my pay scales and if i don't like them I can walk. However now that the promotion carrot no longer exists then please give me something that will personally challenge and enthuse me.
We are the top of the tree and as such we should be able to represent our chosen trade. I'm all for a MACR committee to formally voice our united concerns and ideas. If nothing else it will be an excuse to formally get together for a beer twice a year, and make use of some more capped actuals.
Still I have enjoyed just about every moment of my time in the trade. The one drawback that I have is the lack of different postings available to us. Therefore the prospect of an "Empowered Role" sounds great to me. I am not a level 28 Flt Lt so don't expect to be paid as one. I have reached the very top of the NCA rank tree and feel a great deal of personal pride in doing so. I know my pay scales and if i don't like them I can walk. However now that the promotion carrot no longer exists then please give me something that will personally challenge and enthuse me.
We are the top of the tree and as such we should be able to represent our chosen trade. I'm all for a MACR committee to formally voice our united concerns and ideas. If nothing else it will be an excuse to formally get together for a beer twice a year, and make use of some more capped actuals.
