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Dont have my log book on me but I think BFJT is around 120Hrs with quite a few sims.
No ACM or BFM, although when I left they were thinking about changing parts of the syllabus, but I dont think they will put in ACM or BFM before 208 Sqn.
Syllabus includes a big GH package. Within this package you will be doing different levels of IF; Basic Instrument Flying Certificate (BIFC) and Advanced (AIFC). I think formation was then next followed by Nav (the course normally goes to a different base, such as Lossie, to do one of these sections (Nav Det). The work up for your Instrument Rating then comes along followed by LL fighting wing and composite sorties to finish off the course. Night flying is carried out somewhere during the course.
Dont focus too much on the streaming which is now part of it!
Enjoy the course. York is also a great night out!
Claw
No ACM or BFM, although when I left they were thinking about changing parts of the syllabus, but I dont think they will put in ACM or BFM before 208 Sqn.
Syllabus includes a big GH package. Within this package you will be doing different levels of IF; Basic Instrument Flying Certificate (BIFC) and Advanced (AIFC). I think formation was then next followed by Nav (the course normally goes to a different base, such as Lossie, to do one of these sections (Nav Det). The work up for your Instrument Rating then comes along followed by LL fighting wing and composite sorties to finish off the course. Night flying is carried out somewhere during the course.
Dont focus too much on the streaming which is now part of it!
Enjoy the course. York is also a great night out!
Claw
Aah Lintonium
Andy
It's sad that I still remember these things but I believe the course entitlement is 130 hours with about 38 hours of pure joy in the stimulator.
We started in June and finished the following May. It is a very long course and can wear you down a bit. The biggest problem when I was there was that the build up to FNT (Final Nav Test) was huge and the relief was enormous. Then you had to build yourself back up for the last 12/13 trips for FHT!
It is the longest course you will do and to a certain extent the hardest but you really start to feel like a military pilot by the end of it.
Good luck. Feel free to ask away with any more. I'm feeling very benevolent today!
BV
It's sad that I still remember these things but I believe the course entitlement is 130 hours with about 38 hours of pure joy in the stimulator.
We started in June and finished the following May. It is a very long course and can wear you down a bit. The biggest problem when I was there was that the build up to FNT (Final Nav Test) was huge and the relief was enormous. Then you had to build yourself back up for the last 12/13 trips for FHT!
It is the longest course you will do and to a certain extent the hardest but you really start to feel like a military pilot by the end of it.
Good luck. Feel free to ask away with any more. I'm feeling very benevolent today!
BV
Hmmm.
Andy
Your questions are starting to get a bit weird, but we'll go with it for now!
Used to be about 6 courses a year but you might want to wait for a more up to date answer than mine. As for girls, there was one on every other course when I was there. I'd say thats probably a pretty representative ratio.
Your turn to answer some questions.
Have you been streamed yet?
Are you hoping there'll be someone on your course that you can get easy horizontal action from?
Are you female?
Are you scared?
BV
Your questions are starting to get a bit weird, but we'll go with it for now!
Used to be about 6 courses a year but you might want to wait for a more up to date answer than mine. As for girls, there was one on every other course when I was there. I'd say thats probably a pretty representative ratio.
Your turn to answer some questions.
Have you been streamed yet?
Are you hoping there'll be someone on your course that you can get easy horizontal action from?
Are you female?
Are you scared?
BV
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I'm not a pilot, I am ex airman aircrew ( AEOp - left in 2003) now a student physiotherapist writing a dissertation on neck injury in RAF aircrew. Trying to implement a exercise and education program during BFJT at Linton before AFJT at Valley.
I'm a successful desktop pilot with 10000 hrs on 747 400 if that helps?
Andy
I'm a successful desktop pilot with 10000 hrs on 747 400 if that helps?
Andy
Oh god... not the neck strength thing again! hehe doesnt this all go in cycles! Anyhow, andy, hopefully this can be a definitive answer for you:
Cse duration is approx 10 months (depending on xmas, easter etc etc) and contains 120hrs instructional flying (+10% flex... for some of us who are special
). The course starts with a conversion to tucano, which contains basic GH, basic IF and circuits and bumps. Then follows a period of more advanced gh, if and a bit of nav with BHT after 50 odd hours (don't hold me to that, I'm going grey!) Following BHT you get advanced IF leading to an amber IR (not exactly G-taxing if thats what you're after!), close formation (including tail chasing), low level nav (including the 2 week nav det as mentioned before), GH for currency and that ends in FNT after around 100 hours. After that the run up to the end of course is mostly pairs formation, fighting wing, tail chasing and all the good fun.
As for women, as mentioned earlier, roughly one every other course at the moment, who, for some reason, all end up on 207 something dodgy going on there folks!
As for an exercise regime... forget the neck, a big issue that the studes comment on is G fitness/resisting G-loc....
Cse duration is approx 10 months (depending on xmas, easter etc etc) and contains 120hrs instructional flying (+10% flex... for some of us who are special
). The course starts with a conversion to tucano, which contains basic GH, basic IF and circuits and bumps. Then follows a period of more advanced gh, if and a bit of nav with BHT after 50 odd hours (don't hold me to that, I'm going grey!) Following BHT you get advanced IF leading to an amber IR (not exactly G-taxing if thats what you're after!), close formation (including tail chasing), low level nav (including the 2 week nav det as mentioned before), GH for currency and that ends in FNT after around 100 hours. After that the run up to the end of course is mostly pairs formation, fighting wing, tail chasing and all the good fun.As for women, as mentioned earlier, roughly one every other course at the moment, who, for some reason, all end up on 207
something dodgy going on there folks! As for an exercise regime... forget the neck, a big issue that the studes comment on is G fitness/resisting G-loc....
I've got to agree with pba_target. Not the neck thing again! We had that 4 years ago.
If the lightweight helmet was issued after 208 there wouldn't be a snag but you only get one at the OCU (at least that was the situation 4 years ago and I doubt anything much has changed). You could get one early with a medical chit but that was about it. The reason quoted was limited supply.
I've still yet to work out how the supply can cope with OCU studes and not 19 Sqn. They are the same people (eventually)!
As regards the dissertation, good luck with it but it's all old ground and the recommendations have already been made. I assume you have read the old report. Are you going for a whole different perspective?
If the lightweight helmet was issued after 208 there wouldn't be a snag but you only get one at the OCU (at least that was the situation 4 years ago and I doubt anything much has changed). You could get one early with a medical chit but that was about it. The reason quoted was limited supply.
I've still yet to work out how the supply can cope with OCU studes and not 19 Sqn. They are the same people (eventually)!
As regards the dissertation, good luck with it but it's all old ground and the recommendations have already been made. I assume you have read the old report. Are you going for a whole different perspective?
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Yeah different approach. Research suggests nothing is implemented to students i.e. neck specific exercise and education. Last paper on RAF was by Green (2004) who used more 'experienced' boys (38 yrs old) with considerable flying hrs under their belt which highleghted significant neck injury +Gz related.
I want to introduce a program to coicide with BFJT i.e. before any significant +Gz is experienced...
I want to introduce a program to coicide with BFJT i.e. before any significant +Gz is experienced...
Hmm, sounds suspiciously like the same thing to me.
Have a chat with the PEdOs at Linton and Valley. They introduced the gym on 19 Sqn and a host of briefs and exercises at Linton just for that very reason.
FYI I was 189 BFJT and number 8? ATTU I think... (bob_viking help me out here?) Those predate the 2004 study so theye must have been something that prompted the changes made between 188 and 189 BFJT.
Have a chat with the PEdOs at Linton and Valley. They introduced the gym on 19 Sqn and a host of briefs and exercises at Linton just for that very reason.
FYI I was 189 BFJT and number 8? ATTU I think... (bob_viking help me out here?) Those predate the 2004 study so theye must have been something that prompted the changes made between 188 and 189 BFJT.
The only neck specific sorties would be those that included tailchase - in particular leading during reversals or following while MRTing. Apart from that, I don't think there is anything that would be useful for Linton studes until they get to Valley.
That starts around trip 60-something for about 8 trips during basic formation then again at the end of the course when learning how to lead during composite sorties - again approximately 8-10 trips.
That starts around trip 60-something for about 8 trips during basic formation then again at the end of the course when learning how to lead during composite sorties - again approximately 8-10 trips.
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Thanks,
wanted to hit Valley running though i.e. students educated and neck trained to the max before the Hawk experience where most neck complaints occur.
Thanks for your input everyone. What kind of +gz are you reaching in the Tucanno?
andy
wanted to hit Valley running though i.e. students educated and neck trained to the max before the Hawk experience where most neck complaints occur.
Thanks for your input everyone. What kind of +gz are you reaching in the Tucanno?
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Typically, about 5.5 Gz as I recall. Max poss's are a bit higher I think but I got chopped before I'd done that.
The course is 113 trips, totaling 124.05 (plus flex, everyone gets it...)
You get sized for a lightweight helmet at Henlow pre-linton but you wear the old mk 4 on the course. Dunno why?
I guess another issue is the greater exposure (to Gz) experienced by QFIs?
(care to comment, anyone?)
HTH.
BluntM8
The course is 113 trips, totaling 124.05 (plus flex, everyone gets it...)
You get sized for a lightweight helmet at Henlow pre-linton but you wear the old mk 4 on the course. Dunno why?
I guess another issue is the greater exposure (to Gz) experienced by QFIs?
(care to comment, anyone?)
HTH.
BluntM8
a/c limit 6g.
Max you'd pull on a MRT is about 5.5g and sustain. In my experience, this isn't such a problem on the neck. The biggest problem is craning it round under g during the tailchase - particularly from the front seat. Or the other killer is if the other guy has control and you turn your head as the direction reverses.
Max you'd pull on a MRT is about 5.5g and sustain. In my experience, this isn't such a problem on the neck. The biggest problem is craning it round under g during the tailchase - particularly from the front seat. Or the other killer is if the other guy has control and you turn your head as the direction reverses.
Well max Gz in the tuc is 6, with 5.5 the training limit if I'm not mistaken, so 5.5 is a reasonable expectation, and this can be sustained especially in MRT sorties. The simple solution is: lightweight helmets! you have to buy them eventually, so why not go ugly early? The chop rate isnt that high and those chopped could always give them back... surely a case for having them on 208/19!