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The Miles M 52. Cancelled so that the Americans, and Chuck in particular, could do the sound barrier.
One of a long line of technological surrenders to Uncle Sam. Add to that the klystron, the jet engine, nuclear fission, the list goes on and on
One of a long line of technological surrenders to Uncle Sam. Add to that the klystron, the jet engine, nuclear fission, the list goes on and on
Seem to remember the HS 681 project of the early/mid '60's. This would have been a military jet transport similar in size to the C17. Cancelled by Labour at the same time as TSR 2. I think there was also a proposed version with 4 Pegasus engines giving it STOL capability.
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There was a rather good book on the subject, published a good thirty years ago, canned "Project Cancelled"
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Originally posted by BEagle
One of the biggest crimes was the cancellation of the Mach 2.0 CF-105 Arrow by Diefenbaker on 25 Feb 1959. That really was a world beater and 5 aircraft had flown very successfully. But the program had been infiltrated by spies and the Spams didn't want the Canadians to outclass them. So the Boeing Bomarc missile was offered as an alternative at a time when the world was being seduced by spaceflight and the future of manned interceptors was in doubt. All traces of the aircraft fleet were destoyed - and most of the top notch design and construction team emigrated to the US.
Some say its legacy lived on in the MiG 25 Foxbat, thanks to the secrets stolen by the spies.
One of the biggest crimes was the cancellation of the Mach 2.0 CF-105 Arrow by Diefenbaker on 25 Feb 1959. That really was a world beater and 5 aircraft had flown very successfully. But the program had been infiltrated by spies and the Spams didn't want the Canadians to outclass them. So the Boeing Bomarc missile was offered as an alternative at a time when the world was being seduced by spaceflight and the future of manned interceptors was in doubt. All traces of the aircraft fleet were destoyed - and most of the top notch design and construction team emigrated to the US.
Some say its legacy lived on in the MiG 25 Foxbat, thanks to the secrets stolen by the spies.
Beagle
I'm still trying to figure out who shot Kennedy, was it the CIA, the ruskies or Fidel?
You seem to be in to these conspiracy theories, figured you might know.
I'm still trying to figure out who shot Kennedy, was it the CIA, the ruskies or Fidel?
You seem to be in to these conspiracy theories, figured you might know.
Who?
The only Kennedy I've ever heard of (apart from the genial Chat Show Charlie of the LibDems) was the bloke who wrote "Kennedy's Latin Primer" - an instrument of prolonged torture at my prep school!
Was there some other famous Kennedy?
The only Kennedy I've ever heard of (apart from the genial Chat Show Charlie of the LibDems) was the bloke who wrote "Kennedy's Latin Primer" - an instrument of prolonged torture at my prep school!
Was there some other famous Kennedy?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Hmmm, Amo, amas, amat, amamus, amatis, amant. Now that takes me back more than a few years. Did you know all Gaul is divided into three parts.... 
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"Kennedy's Latin Primer"
The Horror. A shocking blast from the past.
Wasn't the HS.681 more Herc sized, looked similar to a 146 but had something like 24 small lift engines?
The delights of learning 'Gerundive attraction' at the age of 10! Tuesday was hell day at prep school in 1961 as it included a double Latin period......
a, ab, absque, coram, de......
ut and the subjunctive....
Not something I imagine is suffered by digi-yoof these days!
There were many different concepts of the HS681, anything from a V/STOL version to a version with a Comet 4 wing and engines. So you are all probably right!
Incidentally, Hawker's equivalent to the TSR-2 looked even more elegant than the BAC aircraft.
a, ab, absque, coram, de......
ut and the subjunctive....
Not something I imagine is suffered by digi-yoof these days!
There were many different concepts of the HS681, anything from a V/STOL version to a version with a Comet 4 wing and engines. So you are all probably right!
Incidentally, Hawker's equivalent to the TSR-2 looked even more elegant than the BAC aircraft.
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So if comon sense had dictated the RAF would never have got:
Tornado F3
Tornado Gr (s)
Jaguar
Phantom
Lightning (maybe)
As we should have got he TSR2 and Arrow and the net result would be no Typhoon as we would have an all British replacement by now? Or where the days of all British aircraft goign to die anyway?
Would the TSR2 led to the Harrier Grs (all or most of) being retired once the Cold War ended? As capable as they are they are fragile, only one engine for a start.
Tornado F3
Tornado Gr (s)
Jaguar
Phantom
Lightning (maybe)
As we should have got he TSR2 and Arrow and the net result would be no Typhoon as we would have an all British replacement by now? Or where the days of all British aircraft goign to die anyway?
Would the TSR2 led to the Harrier Grs (all or most of) being retired once the Cold War ended? As capable as they are they are fragile, only one engine for a start.
