Military coup to over throw UK Government
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In mid-46 UK was broke, cold and hungry. US was intending to be gone from Europe asap. Keynes had just organised a Loan from US/Canada, which required £ to become convertible 16/7/47. Valiant USSR had won our War for us and was our friend, willing to trade in not-$. Cripps, Pres. Board of Trade, ex-Ambassador in Moscow and very Left, was tasked by Cabinet to barter for Ukrainian grain: don't be too measly about it, said Foreign Sec. Bevin, ex-Trades Uion leader and unfriend of Commies. Whittle's funny back-to-front centrifugals were off the secret list because we had no enemy, so Cripps swapped them for food. Bevin got stroppy when he found out about it; Attlee told him to wind his neck in. We chose to skip the Nene generation (except for waif FAA) and its ultimate, Tay (the first one) to fund axial fighters and Medium Bombers. Long before LaGG/MiG with Klimov RD-45/VK.1 (aka Nene) appeared on scene, US was putting J47 axial in F-86 and we were trying to make things work with Avon and Sapphire.
Yes, USSR reversed Whittle without paying royalties. We maybe foresaw that. We were going to share a Continent with them and had no beef with them (Ha!).
Yes, USSR reversed Whittle without paying royalties. We maybe foresaw that. We were going to share a Continent with them and had no beef with them (Ha!).
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There was nothing in the TV piece that was not in Smear! by Wilson's Press Sec Joe Haines (co-Deep Throat for Yes, Minister 1980s' TV political "comedy"). It's a fun conspiracy founded in his role as Pres. of the Board of Trade (after Cripps) in Attlee's Govt. trying to trade with, not fight USSR. He visited E.Europe about as frequently as Kissinger did for Nixon. That's what Ministers do. That's what Rumour Networks are for. Waste of TV space, though.
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My dad was at the same Oxford college as Wilson, same year - apparently the Communist Party had the best social scene, and practically everyone was a member!
Cheers, TP
My dad was at the same Oxford college as Wilson, same year - apparently the Communist Party had the best social scene, and practically everyone was a member!
Cheers, TP
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just wondering if the queen would have to agree or be disposed of and how the military might avoid the inevitable consequences when legitimate government would be returned?
weren't rr engines also sold to china?
weren't rr engines also sold to china?
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Does anyone really believe our current management could actually stage a military coup? The words piss-up and brewery spring to mind. Our Tone would probably survive anyway. To slighlty misquote an article in a paper this week 'After a nuclear holocaust all that would be left would be a few zillion cockroaches and Tony Blair. He would probably say ''it all went rather well''.'
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Having had a little experience in the "hardened accommodation" business back in the seventies, I can assure you that there is plenty of provision for "necesary personel" in the event of nuclear war. The Rates officers etc. had space in hardened shelters but not many doctors did.
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This is from (the doubtless suborned UK official) www.direct.gov.uk number10.gov.uk/output/page129.asp:
"Wilson surprised everyone when he resigned in March 1976, saying that he had lost interest in issues which had remained little-changed.Not long after Wilson's retirement, his mental deterioration from Alzheimer's disease began to be apparent. He rarely appeared in public after 1985 and died in 1995."
When do you suppose his wife might have detected the problem?
How many minutes might have been sold to TV schedulers for a story of a Cabinet Minister spending to form and nuclear-arm the Medium Bomber Force? Or one about a PM deploying WE177 thermonuclear Bombs, Lance nuclear SSMs, SSBNs, and starting their MIRV enhancement, Chevaline - to cost £1Bn? Guess of whom I speak.
"Wilson surprised everyone when he resigned in March 1976, saying that he had lost interest in issues which had remained little-changed.Not long after Wilson's retirement, his mental deterioration from Alzheimer's disease began to be apparent. He rarely appeared in public after 1985 and died in 1995."
When do you suppose his wife might have detected the problem?
How many minutes might have been sold to TV schedulers for a story of a Cabinet Minister spending to form and nuclear-arm the Medium Bomber Force? Or one about a PM deploying WE177 thermonuclear Bombs, Lance nuclear SSMs, SSBNs, and starting their MIRV enhancement, Chevaline - to cost £1Bn? Guess of whom I speak.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
tornadoken wrote:
<<Or one about a PM deploying WE177 thermonuclear Bombs, Lance nuclear SSMs, SSBNs, and starting their MIRV enhancement, Chevaline - to cost £1Bn? Guess of whom I speak.>>
Not quite sure I understand your point? Are you saying Wilson did all these things or might have been ill and deployed them or what?
The WE177 pre-dated the first Wilson government and was lucky to survive the TSR2 cuts. The SSBN programme was also well advanced before Wilson first came to power.
Apart from the TSR2 we were all pretty amazed that our nuclear programmes continued unabated. Indeed they were enhanced as the C130, Buccaneer and Phantom programmes and the Jaguar strike ac were all Wilsonian decisions probably the Nimrod too. It was the Heath government that procured the Jaguar with part of the buy intended to act as an advance trainer rather than the Hawk.
Healey said he was the forces friend and certainly we had some very competent equipment programmes under the labour government.
<<Or one about a PM deploying WE177 thermonuclear Bombs, Lance nuclear SSMs, SSBNs, and starting their MIRV enhancement, Chevaline - to cost £1Bn? Guess of whom I speak.>>
Not quite sure I understand your point? Are you saying Wilson did all these things or might have been ill and deployed them or what?
The WE177 pre-dated the first Wilson government and was lucky to survive the TSR2 cuts. The SSBN programme was also well advanced before Wilson first came to power.
Apart from the TSR2 we were all pretty amazed that our nuclear programmes continued unabated. Indeed they were enhanced as the C130, Buccaneer and Phantom programmes and the Jaguar strike ac were all Wilsonian decisions probably the Nimrod too. It was the Heath government that procured the Jaguar with part of the buy intended to act as an advance trainer rather than the Hawk.
Healey said he was the forces friend and certainly we had some very competent equipment programmes under the labour government.
