Sabre Rattling?
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OoT; I've copied the post below from Google forums, if you turn on 'community' in GE then you get little flags popping up.
btw, if you post lat/long in the form 45 46.38 S 67 40.18 W
then it can simply be pasted into the Google earth search bar.
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Hi,
I live near there. All that holes were made with petroleum rigs. All that fields belong to petroleum operators as Repsol YPF and CAPSA.
Some of them still have petroluem, others are out of productions.
Regards,
-Matias
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btw, if you post lat/long in the form 45 46.38 S 67 40.18 W
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Hi,
I live near there. All that holes were made with petroleum rigs. All that fields belong to petroleum operators as Repsol YPF and CAPSA.
Some of them still have petroluem, others are out of productions.
Regards,
-Matias
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Thanks for that - very interesting - Cheers!
Out Of Trim
Thanks for that - very interesting - Cheers!
Out Of Trim
One tiny hint of an Argentinian move against the Falklands and the IMF would leave the country totally bankrupt-simply aint gonna happen.
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That photo was taken after they were told to surrender by Rex Hunt to prevent any loss of civilian life (imagine 7.62 and 50 cal flying around Stanley's housing stock) so it's a little unfair, they weren't doing too badly up to that point. (took out at least one Amphibious APC)
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I think it is a cheap shot to mock the Booties under the circumstances. Talking Radalt.
80 people 9000 miles from home against an entire invasion force with absolutely no chance of relief in the next couple of months.
I'd say that taking a stand, killing some of the vastly superior Argentinian force (both numerically and in terms of firepower) before being ordered to surrender by Rex Hunt makes them worthy of great respect, not mockery.
The RAF does not like it if any of your boys who are in harms way are bantered, so feel free to apologise to some very brave gentlemen.
80 people 9000 miles from home against an entire invasion force with absolutely no chance of relief in the next couple of months.
I'd say that taking a stand, killing some of the vastly superior Argentinian force (both numerically and in terms of firepower) before being ordered to surrender by Rex Hunt makes them worthy of great respect, not mockery.
The RAF does not like it if any of your boys who are in harms way are bantered, so feel free to apologise to some very brave gentlemen.
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I think it is a cheap shot to mock the Booties under the circumstances. Talking Radalt.
80 people 9000 miles from home against an entire invasion force with absolutely no chance of relief in the next couple of months.
I'd say that taking a stand, killing some of the vastly superior Argentinian force (both numerically and in terms of firepower) before being ordered to surrender by Rex Hunt makes them worthy of great respect, not mockery.
The RAF does not like it if any of your boys who are in harms way are bantered, so feel free to apologise to some very brave gentlemen.
80 people 9000 miles from home against an entire invasion force with absolutely no chance of relief in the next couple of months.
I'd say that taking a stand, killing some of the vastly superior Argentinian force (both numerically and in terms of firepower) before being ordered to surrender by Rex Hunt makes them worthy of great respect, not mockery.
The RAF does not like it if any of your boys who are in harms way are bantered, so feel free to apologise to some very brave gentlemen.
And in case anyone didn't know, said details of what the 80 did against 4,500 can be found on the RAF's own website here
http://www.raf.mod.uk/falklands/inv1.html
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In my year down south this sort of sabre rattling was relatively frequent. On one occasion they sent one of their ships into the Falklands Econimic zone to check licences. This so enraged the locals they wanted to order warning shots across the bows etc. There were also several incurions into the FICZ all of which our mighty F3 boys with help from the CRC headed off at the pass. The point? If we fail to react to each and every bit of posturing we may end up giving some dullard Argie the idea we are no longer interested and find another rude dawn chorus off of York Bay. So do we stay and defend or bugger off and leave them to it? I'm all for the former as my year was a real hoot and one of the best of my 24 years so far. One of the few places left where one can be treated like an adult with leaders who are up to the task!........Discuss
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One of the few places left where one can be treated like an adult with leaders who are up to the task!
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Sorry Dallas.
I stand corrected fro a universal statement. I just worked for some great guys and have a brilliant team working for me which in my line of work is most unusual....the boss I mean.
I stand corrected fro a universal statement. I just worked for some great guys and have a brilliant team working for me which in my line of work is most unusual....the boss I mean.
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Sorry if anyone was/is offended.
I won't deny I think they did a great job as portrayed in the BBC drama "An Ungentlemanly Act" although some wag will probably come along and shoot that down as complete hoop as well.
From what I've read/heard/been told the surrender was the source of a great deal of frusatration amd disappointment.
(Oh and Timex, I never professed to "know so much about" events of '82.
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I won't deny I think they did a great job as portrayed in the BBC drama "An Ungentlemanly Act" although some wag will probably come along and shoot that down as complete hoop as well.
From what I've read/heard/been told the surrender was the source of a great deal of frusatration amd disappointment.
(Oh and Timex, I never professed to "know so much about" events of '82.
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Does the UK have the:
Logistical ability to do it again?
The political will?
The support of the public?
The ability to do so with commitments elsewhere?
Logistical ability to do it again?
The political will?
The support of the public?
The ability to do so with commitments elsewhere?
IMHO, yes to the first 3, for sure (not so sure about the 4th, although a lot of the assets required would be of a different nature to those currently employed in other parts of the World).
- I think we actually have more large ships able to land/airland a force than in '82.
- Tony B has not been shy to (over)commit UK forces to a cause he believes in. Many a time here is likened to Maggie T in trousers (but with probably less balls overall!)
- I think the British public would support this more than some of our other more recent overseas Military adventures
BUT, MPA and especially the airfield would be critical, from both an Air Defence (which would have to be land-based since the imminent demise of the SHAR) and logistics/re-supply standpoint.
In addition to the issue of sovereinty, we all know now that there is another reason why the Islands and their surrounding waters are more "valuable" than they were 25 years ago (mention that word and I sure GWB and the boys from Amerada Hess will be running to our aid)
- I think we actually have more large ships able to land/airland a force than in '82.
- Tony B has not been shy to (over)commit UK forces to a cause he believes in. Many a time here is likened to Maggie T in trousers (but with probably less balls overall!)
- I think the British public would support this more than some of our other more recent overseas Military adventures
BUT, MPA and especially the airfield would be critical, from both an Air Defence (which would have to be land-based since the imminent demise of the SHAR) and logistics/re-supply standpoint.
In addition to the issue of sovereinty, we all know now that there is another reason why the Islands and their surrounding waters are more "valuable" than they were 25 years ago (mention that word and I sure GWB and the boys from Amerada Hess will be running to our aid)
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Yes! We'd do it all right and it would be a bit harder in some respects logistically.. W'ed have to be damn sure to keep the airfield functioning or things could get Nuclear pretty quickly!
However, we'd probably have to hit the Argentine mainland rather than just keep it to the Falklands if it did happen again!
However, we'd probably have to hit the Argentine mainland rather than just keep it to the Falklands if it did happen again!
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Logistical ability to do it again?
Possibly
The political will?
Not really, unless George says it's a good idea or the electorate don't agree with it (see number 3)
The support of the public?
This is inversely proportional to number 2. It also depends if The Sun decide some washed-up soap star sex scandal photo confession diary shocker revelation is more worthy of the front page that day.
The ability to do so with commitments elsewhere?
Not really.
Possibly
The political will?
Not really, unless George says it's a good idea or the electorate don't agree with it (see number 3)
The support of the public?
This is inversely proportional to number 2. It also depends if The Sun decide some washed-up soap star sex scandal photo confession diary shocker revelation is more worthy of the front page that day.
The ability to do so with commitments elsewhere?
Not really.
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Yes, you're right - Very doubtful! I guess. But, you could expect cruise missiles to be used in this day and age and obviously the Nuclear option would be very much a last resort if things were going very badly for us.
I really hope they don't try anything; but, you have to show resolve and let them know you mean business.
What do they expect us to do? Just walk away!
Too much at stake now, with the hopes of Oil in the region.
Yes, you're right - Very doubtful! I guess. But, you could expect cruise missiles to be used in this day and age and obviously the Nuclear option would be very much a last resort if things were going very badly for us.
I really hope they don't try anything; but, you have to show resolve and let them know you mean business.
What do they expect us to do? Just walk away!
Too much at stake now, with the hopes of Oil in the region.