PAY RISE - REALISATION

[JessTheDog]

Are you actually POSITIVE that they advised you to have a month's pay in your bank. (Exact words please).

Who thought up this little gem (assuming it is true) - government ministers with money to burn?

That is not an example of discharging duty of care - mind you, it may be a storm in a teacup and wages, mortgages and Mess bills etc will hopefully be paid as normal.

If not then I trust the Fourth Estate will do battle on behalf of our voiceless Service personnel. As a civvie I will be paid as normal, but if in uniform and with a month's pay in arrears, I would be pointing all creditors (including DHE and the Mess) firmly in the direction of Innsworth.

[16 blades]

It doesn't matter whether or not you are compensated - missing a mortgage or loan repayment will mean a strike against you is recorded with a credit reference agency. How are they going to fix that?

I've said it before and I'll say it again - flying accidents are usually the result of a chain of events involving several people - whereas it only takes one solitary adminer (or mover) to f**k anything......

[FJJP]

At the end of Dec 1990 the Forces weren't paid. Period. The civil servant who normally signs the peice of paper authorising the banks the pay out the money had gorn oft on leave and his deputy also had a few days off and forgot. We found out [on pre-GW1 det] when wives phoned, having had bounced cheques and letters asking for money since direct debits hadn't been paid because of overdraft limits, etc.

A call to my bank confirmed that we hadn't been paid. The Staish at Akrotiri played a blinder and fired one almighty rocket at mod.

Pay went in soon after and MOD agreed to reimburse bank charges, etc.

Just what you need just prior to going off on an op sortie...

[LFFC]

Word is that several more Career Spine sqn ldrs have handed in their PVR over the last couple of weeks.

Apparently, the reason is that if they are over 38 and wait until after 1 Apr, they will now loose half their flying pay for the 12 months that they have to serve before they leave.

Hardly seems fair when PAS pay will not be changed if they PVR.

[LFFC]

I heard a worrying rumour today that would hit me hard if true. Has anyone else heard the whisper that if PAS aircrew PVR after 1 Apr, then they will revert to the Career Spine in the same way that they would if they loose their medical cat?

Apparently the logic is that appointment to the PAS is a retention measure in the same way that flying pay is, so each should loose that incentive if they PVR! Therefore, as all CS aircrew will loose 50% of their flying pay if they PVR then PAS should suffer similarly!

Can they just change the terms of service like that? Someone please tell me it's not true!

Thing is, if it's true, I might like to change my pension plans!!!

[Now a 'J' Bloke!!]

Hi Gang;

In the NCA world, PAS when offerred initially was linked to a 5 year return of service.....so if you PVR'd (or lost your med cat) in those 5 years, you would revert to your previous basic +FP terms. After those 5 years you could PVR and remain on PAS.

As PAS is meant to be a retention thing...this is actually a reasonable approach, however unfair we see it. Losing PAS as a med thing though is a bummer esp if it was 'on the job' so to speak.

Later...
SFS

[LFFC]

So are you saying that there is some foundation to this rumour? I wouldn't have thought that they could just change the PAS terms of service, especially not after we've gone onto the new pension scheme. But then again, they have changed the nature of flying pay (from a risk payment to retention payment) without allowing us to have a say.

[Safety_Helmut]

Latest RAF News:

"it's three percent again to recruit, retain and motivate

What a load of b0llocks !

"from the newspaper for the Royal Air Force.... about the Royal Air Force"

Safety_Helmut

[SAR Bloke]

My (fairly good) sources tell me that JPA has had maybe 4 (definately more than 2) practise attempts at the pay run and they have all failed. We have been told that if it does fail then a manual pay run will occur and everyone will get paid. I have my doubts.

[Safety_Helmut]

Yes, but when will we get paid ?

S_H

[Vage Rot]

Originally Posted by Talking Radalt

Rank-related flying pay.
How the hell does that work?!!!

I don't know, some of us unlucky sods don't even get any flying pay now we are PAS!! I mean, how is a bloke supposed to survive on £55K a year!!