Support from the Press for Troops in Iraq
Support from the Press for Troops in Iraq
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...ixopinion.html
Finally some support for the toil we suffer in Iraq. Farndale is spot on with his comments. The News of the World should be held accountable for any future deaths resulting from their stupid scoop story on a situation they have no understanding of. Just stick to news of the screws and other filth. In the mean time I suggest we all boycott this vile paper.
Finally some support for the toil we suffer in Iraq. Farndale is spot on with his comments. The News of the World should be held accountable for any future deaths resulting from their stupid scoop story on a situation they have no understanding of. Just stick to news of the screws and other filth. In the mean time I suggest we all boycott this vile paper.
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Originally Posted by dantura
Totally agree, but who on earth buys that drivell (NotW) anyway?
It's really quite disgusting that a paper can sell some lives for 30 pieces of silver.
It's really quite disgusting that a paper can sell some lives for 30 pieces of silver.
I'm no great fan of the tabloid press but in this world of almost instant, global comunication it has to be understood that peacekeeping forces, no matter which country they come from, have to not only behave impeccably but also be seen to behave impeccably.
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Originally Posted by Pureteenlard
I'm no great fan of the tabloid press but in this world of almost instant, global comunication it has to be understood that peacekeeping forces, no matter which country they come from, have to not only behave impeccably but also be seen to behave impeccably.
I know its their job but still every person has a breaking point.
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Originally Posted by Khaine27
granted, but in the end they are just human beings like the rest of us. If you were put in a situation like that, with the pressures they were put under would you have responded impeccably?
I know its their job but still every person has a breaking point.
I know its their job but still every person has a breaking point.
Will the press be out in the hinterland of Helmand Province in the near future or just wait for the films to come back.
The NoW produced a set of images that looked and where poor in the context of the soldiers actions, a further look at the images have produced a film showing what led up to the troops actions. These kids where lucky to get just a good kicking, remember the Countryside Alliance march in London where the Met Police lost self control and lashed out at anyone. One set of rules for one and not another. There again Bliar needs his protection. It has been stated today in at least one newspaper many countries would meerly have shot, or imprisioned and abused these people. Under Sadam protests such as these would have ruthlessly suppressed, the perpertrators and possibly their families arrested and probably executed.
The jackels of the press are about as much use as a rope to a hanged man at times, especially in being able to take things either out of context or trying to produce a story where non exists. These actions can inflame a situation out of proportion to the original actions, even TWO years later.
There has been painfully little about the work that is ongoing with the civil population, trying to stop groups destabilising an already precarious position.
The spin doctors will influence a story for their political masters remember Dr Kelly, Blunkett, Mandleson, Byrers, Archer, Hamilton and many many more. Newspapers should provide facts and allow the individual to make up their own mind.
One notices that little is said about those returning ill or injured from operations, to a life of both physical and mental pain, over 4000 up to now and I suspect many more in the future. the press proports to support the servicemen and women on operations, where is the support for those who have to face an uncertain future.
I say to the journo's who frequent this site go to the military medical units and speak to the troops, I suspect you will get a far different story to the one you expect, but can you recognise the truth anymore. The military hiararchy will try to stop you speaking to the troops except in controlled circumstances, why not earn your money don't be spoonfed PR b******t, go and look for the story. To do less is to my view hypocritical.
I have watched many front line journo's on news reports, with the troops, at least they take the risk along side the operational soldiers sailors and airmen, in this you can include Kate Addie, Bill Neely and Andera Catherwood, unlike I suspect a high percentage of the red top scum suckers.
My apologies for a long rant but I hate the majority of Journo's with a passion.
The NoW produced a set of images that looked and where poor in the context of the soldiers actions, a further look at the images have produced a film showing what led up to the troops actions. These kids where lucky to get just a good kicking, remember the Countryside Alliance march in London where the Met Police lost self control and lashed out at anyone. One set of rules for one and not another. There again Bliar needs his protection. It has been stated today in at least one newspaper many countries would meerly have shot, or imprisioned and abused these people. Under Sadam protests such as these would have ruthlessly suppressed, the perpertrators and possibly their families arrested and probably executed.
The jackels of the press are about as much use as a rope to a hanged man at times, especially in being able to take things either out of context or trying to produce a story where non exists. These actions can inflame a situation out of proportion to the original actions, even TWO years later.
There has been painfully little about the work that is ongoing with the civil population, trying to stop groups destabilising an already precarious position.
The spin doctors will influence a story for their political masters remember Dr Kelly, Blunkett, Mandleson, Byrers, Archer, Hamilton and many many more. Newspapers should provide facts and allow the individual to make up their own mind.
One notices that little is said about those returning ill or injured from operations, to a life of both physical and mental pain, over 4000 up to now and I suspect many more in the future. the press proports to support the servicemen and women on operations, where is the support for those who have to face an uncertain future.
I say to the journo's who frequent this site go to the military medical units and speak to the troops, I suspect you will get a far different story to the one you expect, but can you recognise the truth anymore. The military hiararchy will try to stop you speaking to the troops except in controlled circumstances, why not earn your money don't be spoonfed PR b******t, go and look for the story. To do less is to my view hypocritical.
I have watched many front line journo's on news reports, with the troops, at least they take the risk along side the operational soldiers sailors and airmen, in this you can include Kate Addie, Bill Neely and Andera Catherwood, unlike I suspect a high percentage of the red top scum suckers.
My apologies for a long rant but I hate the majority of Journo's with a passion.
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Will the press be out in the hinterland of Helmand Province in the near future or just wait for the films to come back.
- and then you can let the rioters have a go!
As we all know serious harm in civi context is a lot different to serious harm in a military one !!!!! and the are degrees of seriousness 
Originally Posted by Grimweasel
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Finally some support for the toil we suffer in Iraq. Farndale is spot on with his comments.
Finally some support for the toil we suffer in Iraq. Farndale is spot on with his comments.
He was referring to the jingoistic response of the British press to the Falklands war.
And he had a point. It still makes me shiver to think The Sun could report the deaths of 1,000 Argentinian sailors with a single word: "Gotcha!" But what a contrast with today.
A 30sec 'google' would have given him the truth......but hey, since when has truth and the press gone hand in hand........
Good to hear that the Iraqi Police are now looking at prosecuting 2 of those "rioters" (the ones that got the kicking from the soldiers) - for attempted murder!!
Oh how I bet that they wish that they had kept their mouths shut rather than coming forward and proclaiming that they were going to sue the MOD!!!
Oh how I bet that they wish that they had kept their mouths shut rather than coming forward and proclaiming that they were going to sue the MOD!!!
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Interesting concept . NofW breaks story, sell loads of papers everybody hates the Army. NofW then updates story, sells loads of papers and everybody is sympathetic to army. Media supports both sides, sells loads of papers. News breaks that local Iraqi's to be prosecuted, sells loads of papers. Anyone notice the single common item in all this??
Guys on the ground when about to go on patrol should check that none of their mates has a camera with them. Any video/photo can and will be used against you to make the media swine rich. The bloke who took the photos and his mates go to jail.
Any media person who approaches you should be treated as if someone has stepped in dog s**t. Ignore the sods, they only want to sell papers, and will twist anything you say to do so. Even if you ignore them they will make it up.
Best place for a news team is about 200 mtrs in front of a patrol, all by themselves, well out front in military uniform but unarmed. They can collect the **** and allow the guys behind to ID the positions of those doing the shooting.
As you may have worked out, I don't like the press much either.
Guys on the ground when about to go on patrol should check that none of their mates has a camera with them. Any video/photo can and will be used against you to make the media swine rich. The bloke who took the photos and his mates go to jail.
Any media person who approaches you should be treated as if someone has stepped in dog s**t. Ignore the sods, they only want to sell papers, and will twist anything you say to do so. Even if you ignore them they will make it up.
Best place for a news team is about 200 mtrs in front of a patrol, all by themselves, well out front in military uniform but unarmed. They can collect the **** and allow the guys behind to ID the positions of those doing the shooting.
As you may have worked out, I don't like the press much either.
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When I was going through training we were told not to take cameras on nights out in case the press/mil police/court got hold of them. Let alone on ops. Recording equipment used in a similar way to the civi police to identify trouble makers for later is a good idea, but why film the 'afters'? The 'whistleblower' who took the cash has as much responsibility for the lives of his oppos as the NotW. The press should always be dealt with carefully but can be, as already mentioned, an ally to the Armed Forces. Who knows what atrocities other nations armies commit (Congo?) but do not record and sell? In these days of camera/video phones I can only see incidents like these becoming common place whenever a 'whistleblower' needs some ready cash from an eager journo.
Accuracy is rarely good in the press, as anyone involved with even local papers can testify to (names etc), but little is done to correct them by people who know. This is continued even on threads on this site to do with the 'destroyed' harrier. Not actually the case as anyone at Cott will tell you.
A bit of balance from the press would go a long way to helping not only the lads on the front line but also the families left behind, who the troops rely on for so much. Maybe one day?
Accuracy is rarely good in the press, as anyone involved with even local papers can testify to (names etc), but little is done to correct them by people who know. This is continued even on threads on this site to do with the 'destroyed' harrier. Not actually the case as anyone at Cott will tell you.
A bit of balance from the press would go a long way to helping not only the lads on the front line but also the families left behind, who the troops rely on for so much. Maybe one day?
