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Good news for any Cpl's living in the Block then! Pay increase of 3% but food and accn increase of 3.2% thus resulting in a net pay decrease!!
Nice to see Labour are trying to Spin this one and force Cpl's into private rented accn.
Pte's / Lcpls get 3.3% so their net increase (if they live in) is ponit 1 %
Whoopee.
Now this would be nice if inflation was at 2%, but these are government figures spun out by Labour.
The Bank of England expect inflation to rise within this two year cycle to 3% before any further decreases in the rate. So this will wipe out your pay rise anyway!
Enjoy!
Nice to see Labour are trying to Spin this one and force Cpl's into private rented accn.
Pte's / Lcpls get 3.3% so their net increase (if they live in) is ponit 1 %
Whoopee.
Now this would be nice if inflation was at 2%, but these are government figures spun out by Labour.
The Bank of England expect inflation to rise within this two year cycle to 3% before any further decreases in the rate. So this will wipe out your pay rise anyway!
Enjoy!
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Defensive comment from DCDS Pers at the end:
21. SUMMARY. SOME PERSONNEL MAY POINT TO THE SIGNIFICANT
INCREASES IN ACCOMMODATION CHARGES AND FEEL THAT THEY ARE
LITTLE BETTER OFF. GIVEN THAT THE GOVERNMENT CONSIDERED THAT
ALL PAY REVIEW BODIES SHOULD BASE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ON
ACHIEVEMENT OF THE INFLATION TARGET OF 2 PER CENT CONSUMER
PRICES INDEX THIS AWARD SHOULD BE SEEN AS A POSITIVE OUTCOME
FOR SERVICE PERSONNEL.
Guess he already knows how it's going to be recieved!
21. SUMMARY. SOME PERSONNEL MAY POINT TO THE SIGNIFICANT
INCREASES IN ACCOMMODATION CHARGES AND FEEL THAT THEY ARE
LITTLE BETTER OFF. GIVEN THAT THE GOVERNMENT CONSIDERED THAT
ALL PAY REVIEW BODIES SHOULD BASE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ON
ACHIEVEMENT OF THE INFLATION TARGET OF 2 PER CENT CONSUMER
PRICES INDEX THIS AWARD SHOULD BE SEEN AS A POSITIVE OUTCOME
FOR SERVICE PERSONNEL.
Guess he already knows how it's going to be recieved!
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Originally Posted by Grimweasel
Good news for any Cpl's living in the Block then! Pay increase of 3% but food and accn increase of 3.2% thus resulting in a net pay decrease!!
If he gets paid , say £1000 a month he'll be on about £1030 after the rise(3% 0f 1000 being 30) and his food and accn ,say £150 per month goes up by 3.2% (3.2% of 150 is 4.8) he will be charged £154.80, Net wage will increse by approx £25.20 a month, see, he's quids in!
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http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/6D265...b_rpt_2006.pdf
Here you go chaps have a full read.
Here you go chaps have a full read.
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Yes good show! This is how most people will see it. There are many variables such as the grade of accn that you live in etc. I suppose those in the new Z type will be worse off?
Have they released the MP's pay rises yet? just to see if they are still out of touch with voting public?
Yes good show! This is how most people will see it. There are many variables such as the grade of accn that you live in etc. I suppose those in the new Z type will be worse off?
Have they released the MP's pay rises yet? just to see if they are still out of touch with voting public?
Well I have read the report cover to cover. Apart from the bit about the actual pay award, I agree with all of it. Indeed, it is an accurate reflection of the poor state we are in.
It lists:
'Average Earnings Index growth for the whole economy of around 4.5 to 4.75 per cent'
and that we should get:
'3 per cent'
It also points out that an earnings growth of 4.5 to 4.75 is easily sustainable within the Treasury target of 2% inflation.
So we are all worth 1.5 to 1.75 % less than our civi-street counterparts over the coming year. Now I wonder how we can bridge that gap...
Oh and I must have missed the bit with PVR under JPA, you now get your flying pay cut in half, rather than 'just' dropping a band. Were they expecting a rush??
(e.g. old rules PVR top rate to mid rate = 12.54 per day cut, new rules = 16.90 per day cut in FP!)
It lists:
'Average Earnings Index growth for the whole economy of around 4.5 to 4.75 per cent'
and that we should get:
'3 per cent'
It also points out that an earnings growth of 4.5 to 4.75 is easily sustainable within the Treasury target of 2% inflation.
So we are all worth 1.5 to 1.75 % less than our civi-street counterparts over the coming year. Now I wonder how we can bridge that gap...
Oh and I must have missed the bit with PVR under JPA, you now get your flying pay cut in half, rather than 'just' dropping a band. Were they expecting a rush??
(e.g. old rules PVR top rate to mid rate = 12.54 per day cut, new rules = 16.90 per day cut in FP!)
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"Recruitment was below target in 2004-05 and the first half of
2005-06, and was predicted to remain so in a labour market which will present challenges to the Armed Forces in the medium and longer term. Against this backdrop, retaining skilled and experienced personnel is essential but, after several years of stability, Voluntary Outflow increased in 2004-05 and the early part of 2005-06 with evidence consistently showing that the impact of operational pressures and the nature of Service life were retention-negative. Our pay comparisons indicated risks to recruitment and retention from the packages available to uniformed civilian services. Similarly, Armed Forces’ pay for 22-29 year olds was behind civilians – a crucial age group for career decisions."
"The current environment for Defence is one of continuous change against a backcloth of high on-going operational commitments"
"In recent reports, we have consistently commented on poor standards of accommodation, the message this sends to personnel about how their employer values them and the potential impact on retention. We are disappointed that delivery targets for Single Living Accommodation have slipped. We are also increasingly concerned at the vulnerability of all accommodation funding in Departmental budgetary decisions."
"MOD’s evidence pointed to morale weathering the impact of operational tempo, although Service personnel increasingly felt they were taken for granted and “undervalued” by the nation and perceived that their total remuneration package was being eroded."
"However, it noted our conclusions from our 2005 Report that pay awards had been slightly behind average pay increases for comparators and generally lower than uniformed civilian services, especially at lower ranks. MOD added that “serious discontent” with the pay award could lead to the loss of trained, experienced and difficult to replace personnel putting at risk its ability to meet Defence objectives"
"After several years of declining outflow from the Armed Forces, 2004-05 saw a 6.9 per cent increase in trained outflow (to a total of 17,600) compared to 2003-04."
"RN Aircrew manning levels and the requirement had reduced, therefore gapping14 continued. The main concerns for RN Aircrew manning were delivering required Gains to Trained Strength and the potential impact on PVR rates of withdrawal of the Financial Retention Incentive which had been in place since 2002."
Just a few quotes that seem not to back up the "increase" in pay. A quick calculation shows I will probably be £3 a month better off.
I hope the Fire fighters see this and have second thoughts about striking.
And don't forget Mr Brown will recover 40% of your pay rise in tax meaning a 1.8% rise in real terms and that if my maths is correct is below inflation
2005-06, and was predicted to remain so in a labour market which will present challenges to the Armed Forces in the medium and longer term. Against this backdrop, retaining skilled and experienced personnel is essential but, after several years of stability, Voluntary Outflow increased in 2004-05 and the early part of 2005-06 with evidence consistently showing that the impact of operational pressures and the nature of Service life were retention-negative. Our pay comparisons indicated risks to recruitment and retention from the packages available to uniformed civilian services. Similarly, Armed Forces’ pay for 22-29 year olds was behind civilians – a crucial age group for career decisions."
"The current environment for Defence is one of continuous change against a backcloth of high on-going operational commitments"
"In recent reports, we have consistently commented on poor standards of accommodation, the message this sends to personnel about how their employer values them and the potential impact on retention. We are disappointed that delivery targets for Single Living Accommodation have slipped. We are also increasingly concerned at the vulnerability of all accommodation funding in Departmental budgetary decisions."
"MOD’s evidence pointed to morale weathering the impact of operational tempo, although Service personnel increasingly felt they were taken for granted and “undervalued” by the nation and perceived that their total remuneration package was being eroded."
"However, it noted our conclusions from our 2005 Report that pay awards had been slightly behind average pay increases for comparators and generally lower than uniformed civilian services, especially at lower ranks. MOD added that “serious discontent” with the pay award could lead to the loss of trained, experienced and difficult to replace personnel putting at risk its ability to meet Defence objectives"
"After several years of declining outflow from the Armed Forces, 2004-05 saw a 6.9 per cent increase in trained outflow (to a total of 17,600) compared to 2003-04."
"RN Aircrew manning levels and the requirement had reduced, therefore gapping14 continued. The main concerns for RN Aircrew manning were delivering required Gains to Trained Strength and the potential impact on PVR rates of withdrawal of the Financial Retention Incentive which had been in place since 2002."
Just a few quotes that seem not to back up the "increase" in pay. A quick calculation shows I will probably be £3 a month better off.
I hope the Fire fighters see this and have second thoughts about striking.
And don't forget Mr Brown will recover 40% of your pay rise in tax meaning a 1.8% rise in real terms and that if my maths is correct is below inflation
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Originally Posted by L J R
Comedy Jock: Think positive man!
£3 per month = a pint and a bit of Stella. Where else could you get a free Stella per month!
£3 per month = a pint and a bit of Stella. Where else could you get a free Stella per month!
I cannot belive that the AFPRB highlight all the bits that are going wrong and are retention negative and still press ahead with a less than inflation pay rise, and are still trying for "commercial" rents for FQs and SLA! Did they not read their own report before making their recommendations!!
Any one know the AFPRB schedule of visits? I for one would like to be present at one of their meetings!!
This is what's happening in the NHS under the Agenda for Change, just watch the spin doctors on the AFPRB, saying only a small number will loose out. DO NOT BELIEVE IT !!!!
Remember the old term BOHICA or bend over here it comes again.
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I never heard of the AFPRB visiting anywhere I was stationed at, and don't know of anyone that knew anyone that had spoken with these persons.
Type IV MQ - up 13%, or the best part of £600 per annum. Wipes out most of the the pay rise doesn't it? That is before the garage is paid for.
Bring on a Federation (note: not a union)...
Type IV MQ - up 13%, or the best part of £600 per annum. Wipes out most of the the pay rise doesn't it? That is before the garage is paid for.
Bring on a Federation (note: not a union)...
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Maybe to save a bit of money on the old transport budget,the AFPRB go around with the CDT team
Two teams to extract the urine, and one lot don't even have to try!
You could imagine the conversation on the way back:
AFPRB: Busy?
CDT: Yeah. You?
AFPRB: Strangely no.
Wonder who cleans the minibus when they get back?
Two teams to extract the urine, and one lot don't even have to try!
You could imagine the conversation on the way back:
AFPRB: Busy?
CDT: Yeah. You?
AFPRB: Strangely no.
Wonder who cleans the minibus when they get back?
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The last page of the report (or thereabouts) stated that they visited Northolt, High Wycombe & Benson.
I presume they got an ear-full from the guys and gals at Benson. Not sure the real story is circulating around the other two spots.
I presume they got an ear-full from the guys and gals at Benson. Not sure the real story is circulating around the other two spots.
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The first 2 are really representative of busy front line units!! What about Lyneham, Brize and Odiham, not to mention the stations with Rocks.
Seems like the visit programme was engineered to dilute the true state of the RAF.
Seems like the visit programme was engineered to dilute the true state of the RAF.
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I was on the same Tristar as the AFPRB last summer en route to a certain top secret transport base somewhere in southern Iraq. First attempt aborted on the runway so fortunately they were able to get some idea of how reliable our well-resourced transport fleet is.
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Marvelous pay scheme
Well this wonderful and appreciated pay rise only makes me look forward 30mths to the day I leave and get a job in the civvy world, where if I get such treatment I can up sticks and leave. Oh and please don't say the grass always looks greener, in this case it actually is, being doing some research 
God save the RAF and the Military types in the future or are we all going to be contractalised?
My wife is a Physio, and she is fighting against the NHS system to ensure a fair pay for all Physio's in her PTC, at least she is able to fight all we can do is say thank you very much, oh, can I have another.
Personally I am against a Federation/Union for the Services, however, if we're continually to be treated this way, then roll on the Federation.
God save the RAF and the Military types in the future or are we all going to be contractalised?
My wife is a Physio, and she is fighting against the NHS system to ensure a fair pay for all Physio's in her PTC, at least she is able to fight all we can do is say thank you very much, oh, can I have another.
Personally I am against a Federation/Union for the Services, however, if we're continually to be treated this way, then roll on the Federation.
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Pay rise? More like a smack in the nads
Right
Have done my maths homework, and here is how this great pay rise will see a substantial increase in the level of comfort & financial security that my family can now afford, with me being in the top pay band for a Lt RN, living in SFA with a garage bolted to the side (anyone know if I promise not to use it any more, do I still have to pay for it?).
2005 DRP £106.90 = £39018.50 2006 DRP £110.11 = £40190.15
Pay Rise = £1171.65 After 40% tax = £702.99 = £1.926 per day
Garage charges 2005 - £248.2 2006 - £262.8 = Rise of £14.60
SFA Charge 2005 - £2628 2006 - £2969.64 = Rise of £341.64
£702.989 - (£341.64 + £14.60) =£346.35
= 94p a day pay rise.
And that is not including any changes to the CILOCT or the water bills (insufficient info).
Can anyone explain to me how I motivate those below me, & hence getting a smaller pay rise than my kingly 94p, to bother getting out of their beds in the morning, let alone volunteering for secondary duties or out of area deployments? And no doubt the private dental care I am forced to pay for my family (having been forced to move to an area with no NHS dentists - again) will go up with inflation and take a chunk of this.
I honestly pity anyone trying to bring up a family in the services, because the sacrifices we give up over our civil friends are not rewarded.
Darling, we are going to have to sell the kids!
Have done my maths homework, and here is how this great pay rise will see a substantial increase in the level of comfort & financial security that my family can now afford, with me being in the top pay band for a Lt RN, living in SFA with a garage bolted to the side (anyone know if I promise not to use it any more, do I still have to pay for it?).
2005 DRP £106.90 = £39018.50 2006 DRP £110.11 = £40190.15
Pay Rise = £1171.65 After 40% tax = £702.99 = £1.926 per day
Garage charges 2005 - £248.2 2006 - £262.8 = Rise of £14.60
SFA Charge 2005 - £2628 2006 - £2969.64 = Rise of £341.64
£702.989 - (£341.64 + £14.60) =£346.35
= 94p a day pay rise.
And that is not including any changes to the CILOCT or the water bills (insufficient info).
Can anyone explain to me how I motivate those below me, & hence getting a smaller pay rise than my kingly 94p, to bother getting out of their beds in the morning, let alone volunteering for secondary duties or out of area deployments? And no doubt the private dental care I am forced to pay for my family (having been forced to move to an area with no NHS dentists - again) will go up with inflation and take a chunk of this.
I honestly pity anyone trying to bring up a family in the services, because the sacrifices we give up over our civil friends are not rewarded.
Darling, we are going to have to sell the kids!