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Old 2nd Feb 2006, 10:30
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1st Pilot Log Book Entries?

Under what circumstances should you log 1st Pilot hours? I'm a bit confused as to when I should log hours as dual and when I should log as 1st pilot. And can I borrow some Tipex!?
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Any sortie where you are under instruction on a recognised syllabus is logged as dual. If you fly with another pilot on any other sortie, and you are qualified as a 1st pilot on that aircraft (Section 2 in your logbook), you can both claim it as 1st pilot but only one of you can claim as Captain.

Hope this answers your query.
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Log it as dual if you have flown with a QHI/QFI and it has been an instructional sortie. Everything else should be 1st Pilot.
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Caveat on WG13's post...

Only after you have qualified as 1st pilot on type.
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Caveat on Roland's post:

If you are a non-PPL holding UAS student who has flown Das Teutor solo, but then fly as a ballast with a non-QFI on some air experience trip, the flight time will not be counted towards any civil licence requirements and will be considered as passenger flying only.
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Caveat on Septic rules

Log it as dual if you have flown with a QHI/QFI and it has been an instructional sortie.
you can log it as PIC if you are receiving instruction for an a/c you are certificated in. For instance you have your private, but are receiving instruction for an instrument rating or a Flight Review.



Caveat on my caveat

...err, I think
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And if they are bigger than about 2 inches long, pink with 6 'legs' they are Crevettes and if you can wear them round your neck they are Cravats.

Hope this clears that up.

Caveating my Cavitation....
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Thanks for that. One extra Q > When are hours logged as 2nd pilot?
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When flying as the non-handling co-pilot in an aircraft certified as requiring 2 pilot operation.
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...........but RAF rotary claim the non handling pilots hours (on 2 pilot helos) as 1st pilot non captain.

at least they did 10 years ago!
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Originally Posted by BEagle
When flying as the non-handling co-pilot in an aircraft certified as requiring 2 pilot operation.
I was told/under the impression that if you fly on an SPF/SCT (the instructors but stude flies) trip you can claim that as 2nd pilot in a civvy log book.

Is that correct?
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sorry to ask a dumb question, but what do Navs put into their log books?
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...pictures of scantily clad young ladies of course
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Flik Roll - what you describe should not be recorded as P2 time in a civil logbook. It is considered to be passenger flying. Quite interesting passenger flying, but passenger flying nonetheless.

You cannot ever be 'P2' in a single pilot aeroplane under JAR-FCL.
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Not true Beags

"You cannot ever be 'P2' in a single pilot aeroplane under JAR-FCL"

In my particular a/c (AS365N2) which is certified as a SPIFR the copilot logs P2 when we fly 2 crew iaw company SOPS as it has more than 9 seats.

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Hf -the AS365N2 is a helicopter, not a single pilot aeroplane!

You cannot ever be 'P2' in a single pilot aeroplane under JAR-FCL.
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The seppos had an 'arrangement' where if you were practicing for an instrument rating and were under the hood, you required a safety pilot and both of you got to log PIC as you were both "required crew members". I don't know if you count that as a "single pilot aeroplane ".

At least that's what the school I went to made us do

They're out of business now btw
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I suspect that Flik Roll is 'under the impression' rather than 'had been told', unless, of course it was by another stude...or a B2!

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Onan - yes, the septics do indeed have such a system. But hours logged under that 'double P1' system won't count under JAR-FCL....
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!


s'not that many fortunately
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