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JPA - The Truth
Dessert Flyer,
I am on a Unit Change Team for JPA, so I have as good an idea as most people on how it will affect us all. If I posted all I know in one go then I'd be here a while (and you'd all be bored before you'd read even a bit of it)!
Reference allowances in particular, just about every allowance will be affected as we move to a Joint allowance system. Most allowances will be claimed through JPA, either by using a desktop intranet PC or by calling the JPAC (call centre) if you don't have access to a PC. On detachment the admin staff will have access to JPA, but I'm not sure how access will physically work - whether you go to a terminal and use it yourself or whether you get the admin people to do it for you (not even sure that they can do that). The new guide to allowances should be out in your unit, so have a look at that for some guidance.
Happy to answer any questions you might have about JPA - just post them here!
I am on a Unit Change Team for JPA, so I have as good an idea as most people on how it will affect us all. If I posted all I know in one go then I'd be here a while (and you'd all be bored before you'd read even a bit of it)!
Reference allowances in particular, just about every allowance will be affected as we move to a Joint allowance system. Most allowances will be claimed through JPA, either by using a desktop intranet PC or by calling the JPAC (call centre) if you don't have access to a PC. On detachment the admin staff will have access to JPA, but I'm not sure how access will physically work - whether you go to a terminal and use it yourself or whether you get the admin people to do it for you (not even sure that they can do that). The new guide to allowances should be out in your unit, so have a look at that for some guidance.
Happy to answer any questions you might have about JPA - just post them here!
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Do you think that the detachment access will work as brilliantly as the LITS detachment access? 
That is to say it will be nigh on impossible to get on the server, and everything will revert to being done hard copy, with an enormous backlog to clear up on your RTB
That is to say it will be nigh on impossible to get on the server, and everything will revert to being done hard copy, with an enormous backlog to clear up on your RTB
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Rocket,
The plan is that if comms go down between the detachment JPA terminals and the UK then everything will be stored on the computers until the connection is restored and then the JPA mainframe will be updated. This should all happen automatically with no hard copy system needed.
That's what they tell us, anyway!
The plan is that if comms go down between the detachment JPA terminals and the UK then everything will be stored on the computers until the connection is restored and then the JPA mainframe will be updated. This should all happen automatically with no hard copy system needed.
That's what they tell us, anyway!
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20 March is the Go day.
OTOH I am told that JPA stands for July, possibly August.
We get trained Wednesday. That will be good as we don't get a computer until Wednesday week.
OTOH I am told that JPA stands for July, possibly August.
We get trained Wednesday. That will be good as we don't get a computer until Wednesday week.
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Originally Posted by Mead Pusher
... get the admin people to do it for you (not even sure that they can do that)...
Edit: Speeling eroor.
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What planet are you on?
The Lynx community is the same as everybody else, undermanned and over worked.
The upgrade is only a stop gap until F Lynx comes along and doesn't fix the majority of problems there are now.
There is no money for extra activities and yes Blue Game will be good but the rest of the year will be the same with not great serviceability and too many tasks.
Perhaps you have only been flying for 2 days but wake up and smell the coffee (if there is any left)...
What planet are you on?
The Lynx community is the same as everybody else, undermanned and over worked.
The upgrade is only a stop gap until F Lynx comes along and doesn't fix the majority of problems there are now.
There is no money for extra activities and yes Blue Game will be good but the rest of the year will be the same with not great serviceability and too many tasks.
Perhaps you have only been flying for 2 days but wake up and smell the coffee (if there is any left)...
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JPA Information
Ok, for the people who want more information on JPA. As long as you have intranet access then this link should take you to the FAQ on the AFPAA site.
http://www.ipublish.dii.r.mil.uk/nla...lt.asp?fid=706
Hope this is useful!
http://www.ipublish.dii.r.mil.uk/nla...lt.asp?fid=706
Hope this is useful!
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A quick scan of the jobsites will tell you that JPA will be way behind schedule...at present the company that is charged with implimenting its hardwear and softwear is desperately looking for qualified and capable staff. I look forward to the announcement that delays the kickoff ...20 March 2006 I believe..as 2007 is far more realistic...just imagine the scene...8ish am on the 20th...we all log on to the expected crash.
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Thanks for the help Mead Pusher and will look out for more posts as d-day comes closer. Spoke to one of our admin staff a couple of days ago and was told that how FSI'S will be run has not been decided. This is generally due to the fact that only four stations , Brize, Lyneham, Kinloss and Benson use a lot of FSI's. Also when it comes to terminals on overseas detatchments, the extra cost of using internet lines is prohibitive in cost, (similar to LITS). I hope you can clarify some of this,
Tks D-F
Tks D-F
A new(er) document is now available to HR Admin Staff, called " Guide to Pay and Charges"
This will tell you about Continuous Career Basic Pay (which I believe Flying PAy will come under)
As alluded to, if you come out of a flying post, after 6 years with out revisiting a flying job for a min of 91 days, your flying pay will cease.
Just find an OOA det with flying post attched every 6 years and you'll keep the pay is what it looks like!
An interesting point is that if you are medically downgraded due to non-service reasons (ie playing rugby for local side at weekend, break arm etc) then they will stop your Specialist Pay and entitlement to reserve bands immediatley! The service test is " Was the Med Downgrade due to reasons within the individual's control?"
Yes / No
If the service was at fault then your SP will continue for 18 months to allow treatment etc.If after 18 months and u have not been upgraded then you will go onto the reserve band 3 years. (ie 75%,50%,25% of SP decreasing)
Also ALL Spec. Pay posts will be reviewed yearly to check they still qualify. If they do not, the next person coming into that post will not be eligible for SP!!
This will tell you about Continuous Career Basic Pay (which I believe Flying PAy will come under)
As alluded to, if you come out of a flying post, after 6 years with out revisiting a flying job for a min of 91 days, your flying pay will cease.
Just find an OOA det with flying post attched every 6 years and you'll keep the pay is what it looks like!
An interesting point is that if you are medically downgraded due to non-service reasons (ie playing rugby for local side at weekend, break arm etc) then they will stop your Specialist Pay and entitlement to reserve bands immediatley! The service test is " Was the Med Downgrade due to reasons within the individual's control?"
Yes / No
If the service was at fault then your SP will continue for 18 months to allow treatment etc.If after 18 months and u have not been upgraded then you will go onto the reserve band 3 years. (ie 75%,50%,25% of SP decreasing)
Also ALL Spec. Pay posts will be reviewed yearly to check they still qualify. If they do not, the next person coming into that post will not be eligible for SP!!
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<<As alluded to, if you come out of a flying post, after 6 years with out revisiting a flying job for a min of 91 days, your flying pay will cease>>
Round and round goes the f*ck*ng big wheel in and out . . .
Back in the late '80s flying pay was to cease after a certain period of no flying. 16 plus years later they still haven't sorted out what a flying job is, as mentioned here on Pprune the FCs at Waddo draw flight pay flight or not.
<<As alluded to, if you come out of a flying post, after 6 years with out revisiting a flying job for a min of 91 days, your flying pay will cease>>
Round and round goes the f*ck*ng big wheel in and out . . .
Back in the late '80s flying pay was to cease after a certain period of no flying. 16 plus years later they still haven't sorted out what a flying job is, as mentioned here on Pprune the FCs at Waddo draw flight pay flight or not.
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Hi Gang;
The six year thing sounds remarkably similar to now.....
I don't suppose anyone has saw sense yet with the FSI '''''''admin-all-those-individual-receipts-for-a-10-man-crew-on a long-route/det''''''''' yet???
Damn, I wish I could get a job with BA...bye bye pilots!!!
Later;
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'J'Bloke
The six year thing sounds remarkably similar to now.....
I don't suppose anyone has saw sense yet with the FSI '''''''admin-all-those-individual-receipts-for-a-10-man-crew-on a long-route/det''''''''' yet???
Damn, I wish I could get a job with BA...bye bye pilots!!!
Later;
Regards to Most;
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Originally Posted by Now a 'J' Bloke!!
Damn, I wish I could get a job with BA...bye bye pilots!!!
Later;
Regards to Most;
'J'Bloke
Later;
Regards to Most;
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Hi there P-T;
Is the water lovely, despite the stewards???? Must be fun on a dinghy drill...
Seriously though, you don't know what a lucky escape you made....
Me, well, I've just got the red,white & blue blood....daft b*gger!!!
Do they rib you for being GINGER!!!!!
I wonder how ATSY are going to get receipts for an actuals meal on a guarding nitestop. Not that I'm really bothered about our piggy plods!!!
Send the Sqn a postcard or ten...P-T. They deserve it!!!
Regards;
'J' Bloke.
Is the water lovely, despite the stewards???? Must be fun on a dinghy drill...
Seriously though, you don't know what a lucky escape you made....
Me, well, I've just got the red,white & blue blood....daft b*gger!!!
Do they rib you for being GINGER!!!!!
I wonder how ATSY are going to get receipts for an actuals meal on a guarding nitestop. Not that I'm really bothered about our piggy plods!!!
Send the Sqn a postcard or ten...P-T. They deserve it!!!
Regards;
'J' Bloke.
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Thanks for the gen Mead Pusher.
Just about to go on det. 4 weeks 3 locations, 2 countries, 30 guys. No admin backup, no intranet access. It's easy at the moment with a FSI and a DSI. You could double the number of guys and the time and it would still be easy. Come the arrival of JPA - who knows. How do the guys fund themselves? Phone it all through may be an answer but with up to 8 hours time difference the window available may be short. Scheduling phone time may be awkward. Paying for the calls from a civilian net should be interesting. Individual unit credit/debit cards should really speed things up - I think not. Limited funds credit/debit cards should make paying some bills interesting.
Never mind, the change from a working system to JPA will save money for the Treasury!!!!!
Just about to go on det. 4 weeks 3 locations, 2 countries, 30 guys. No admin backup, no intranet access. It's easy at the moment with a FSI and a DSI. You could double the number of guys and the time and it would still be easy. Come the arrival of JPA - who knows. How do the guys fund themselves? Phone it all through may be an answer but with up to 8 hours time difference the window available may be short. Scheduling phone time may be awkward. Paying for the calls from a civilian net should be interesting. Individual unit credit/debit cards should really speed things up - I think not. Limited funds credit/debit cards should make paying some bills interesting.
Never mind, the change from a working system to JPA will save money for the Treasury!!!!!
