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And issue each card holder an Admin wally to do all the paperwork, and keep track of all the excess reciepts the system will generate.
What credit limit would you put on a card?
How much would HOTAC and food for a 5 week deployment cost for 16 people, would their Beanships want more credit cards with lots of dosh on.
Judging by the number of Army ID cards that are lost, would you trust a grunt with a £50000 Barclaycard?.
What credit limit would you put on a card?
How much would HOTAC and food for a 5 week deployment cost for 16 people, would their Beanships want more credit cards with lots of dosh on.
Judging by the number of Army ID cards that are lost, would you trust a grunt with a £50000 Barclaycard?.
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Im not sure there is a credit limit on the Barclaycard I hold. Nor the one my SMR holds or even the one the Petty Officer holds. If I trust my SMR with the maintenance of my Helicopter, I trust him with a piece of plastic.
But, if you dont have a pussers barclaycard, how do you pay for hotel accom and petrol etc, etc?
But, if you dont have a pussers barclaycard, how do you pay for hotel accom and petrol etc, etc?
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Yet another Fark factor in a long line of morale crushing, re-invent the wheel decisions by our lords and masters all in the dirty name of jointery. I will definately be joining the great unwashed before someone comes out with a design for some natty PURPLE No 1's.
FFP - hadn't even considered the individual audit. I can't even keep my pay statements safe for a few days!! Still, i suppose it would stop them scrutinising JUST the Co/LM/lead wet/dry with special investigators around the world to check up on say, a £20 phone bill in deepest Africa for example..........
FFP - hadn't even considered the individual audit. I can't even keep my pay statements safe for a few days!! Still, i suppose it would stop them scrutinising JUST the Co/LM/lead wet/dry with special investigators around the world to check up on say, a £20 phone bill in deepest Africa for example..........
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Good idea and cost saving for the air force as this is I think its just one more in a long line of things which will convince guys to poke off to the airlines.
Booming airline recruitment, no FRI, capped actuals, 4 months of a year out in Basrah at the mo with a potential to rise considerably in the coming year.
I think someone up top needs to think about how all these changes are going to impact the front line and how over the next year they are going to be able to retain there multi-engined pilots.
Booming airline recruitment, no FRI, capped actuals, 4 months of a year out in Basrah at the mo with a potential to rise considerably in the coming year.
I think someone up top needs to think about how all these changes are going to impact the front line and how over the next year they are going to be able to retain there multi-engined pilots.
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Im not sure there is a credit limit on the Barclaycard I hold. Nor the one my SMR holds or even the one the Petty Officer holds. If I trust my SMR with the maintenance of my Helicopter, I trust him with a piece of plastic.
But, if you dont have a pussers barclaycard, how do you pay for hotel accom and petrol etc, etc?
But, if you dont have a pussers barclaycard, how do you pay for hotel accom and petrol etc, etc?
I am not sure how JPA will work with detachments though, I can't see the heirachy expecting airman (other ranks equivalents) to cope with paying for x weeks overseas without advancing the rates. How else are they supposed to settle their (work) credit card bills if they are not in the country to see the bill?
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So, are we also saying that we will be subject to this madness for the trips to the Abbey Wood Gin Place ? So, away for the night, £20 overnight rate (-£2.70 travel element which is rarely used). So what will lunch be capped at, about a fiver at my guess, lets have a think which f@cking Happy Meal we'll be choosing then. Don't forget the receipt mind ! So on to the evening meal, about £12 left, slap up feast on the cards (not), washed down by a jug of tap water, as your civil service colleague quaffs his bottle of Chateau-neuf-de-pape across the table.
It's public money though, I don't expect to live it up on the taxpayer (well not if they know about it), but I do want to be treated fairly and equitably. So, why has the £20 overnight rate been the same for at least the last 10 years ?
Oh, and good point about the softies, woe betide anyone who submits a receipt for a pint of Old Dog Bolter for £2.80, however, a large diet coke for £3.00, no problem sir !
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It's public money though, I don't expect to live it up on the taxpayer (well not if they know about it), but I do want to be treated fairly and equitably. So, why has the £20 overnight rate been the same for at least the last 10 years ?
Oh, and good point about the softies, woe betide anyone who submits a receipt for a pint of Old Dog Bolter for £2.80, however, a large diet coke for £3.00, no problem sir !
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Isn't the 'capped actuals' future a product of JPA?
Either we're all going to eat everything we can to get the receipts up to the limit, and all get even fatter, we're going to buy stuff to the limit and chuck stuff away or we're going rummaging in restaurant garbage cans....
What's next?
Actuals for LOA, receipts for petrol purchased and mpg analysis of vehicles for home to duty, weighing of stools to prove missed meals, telephone company reports and laundry receipts for PIE, video proof that you went home when you claimed 'get you home', actuals for disturbance allowance claimed in arrears?
I must have missed the capping of actual common sense announcement.
Either we're all going to eat everything we can to get the receipts up to the limit, and all get even fatter, we're going to buy stuff to the limit and chuck stuff away or we're going rummaging in restaurant garbage cans....
What's next?
Actuals for LOA, receipts for petrol purchased and mpg analysis of vehicles for home to duty, weighing of stools to prove missed meals, telephone company reports and laundry receipts for PIE, video proof that you went home when you claimed 'get you home', actuals for disturbance allowance claimed in arrears?
I must have missed the capping of actual common sense announcement.
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The other down side to the new system will be its impact upon crew social events while detached. Appreciate its not going to be a consideration for the policy makers, but imagine the reaction of most restaurants when 20 crewmembers pitch up for a social gathering and ask for individual bills/receipts. Ok, it will be the end of whines like "he had the extra poppadum" but I see it killing off one of the more enjoyable aspects of Service life.
Of course there's nothing to say that the receipts have to be In English - or even printed.....
A few handwritten bits of paper, preferably written in some obscure Arab dialect, should make things interesting for the Blunt Ones who thought this up....
There are some countries which forbid you taking their blats out of the country (India, for one). What mechanism will be in place to cope with such an eventuality, I wonder...
Whoever dreamed up this penny-pinching morale-bruising nonsense should be strung up by the thumbs. Or nuts, if possessed....
A few handwritten bits of paper, preferably written in some obscure Arab dialect, should make things interesting for the Blunt Ones who thought this up....
There are some countries which forbid you taking their blats out of the country (India, for one). What mechanism will be in place to cope with such an eventuality, I wonder...
Whoever dreamed up this penny-pinching morale-bruising nonsense should be strung up by the thumbs. Or nuts, if possessed....
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Actuals, where the imprest holder accounts for every penny have always been impossible to administer.
Example go out for an evening meal with crew. You have meal (allowable) with a couple of beers ( not allowable) and service charge (?). Everyone has different. The only way to work it is to ask for separate bills and have the bills broken down into allowable / none allowable items.
Now try repeating this exercise in Mandarin.
The following morning take these multiple pieces of paper to the imprest officer (co-pilot?), after all he has no other duties and when he has them sorted he can discuss any issues with the captain on the flight deck. After all they have nothing else to do.
The only way to account for every penny is to use something like the F1771.
All crew members are issued with money from accounts and they keep all their own receipts. Every week or two they go to Admin wing and explain their own expenditure.
This system is a little time consuming for crew members but complex for accounts, thats why they don't like it
Example go out for an evening meal with crew. You have meal (allowable) with a couple of beers ( not allowable) and service charge (?). Everyone has different. The only way to work it is to ask for separate bills and have the bills broken down into allowable / none allowable items.
Now try repeating this exercise in Mandarin.
The following morning take these multiple pieces of paper to the imprest officer (co-pilot?), after all he has no other duties and when he has them sorted he can discuss any issues with the captain on the flight deck. After all they have nothing else to do.
The only way to account for every penny is to use something like the F1771.
All crew members are issued with money from accounts and they keep all their own receipts. Every week or two they go to Admin wing and explain their own expenditure.
This system is a little time consuming for crew members but complex for accounts, thats why they don't like it
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Every week or two they go to Admin wing and explain their own expenditure
Unless some bright spark decides to get rid of admin wing and make us do all our own administration that is
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Unless some bright spark decides to get rid of admin wing and make us do all our own administration that is
To be fair, apart from this abortion, I cant wait for JPA to get in. More oxgen for the rest of us that is currently being wasted by our blunty scribbly infested service. Axe em all. and about time we got shot of tac admin wing too, what a waste of space!
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JPA! Why not check when your leave year now ends.
was my understanding it was moving, but I believe, once in a blue moon, that as regards no of days leave we get given, we are all going to benefit. Or have I been lied to again?
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If JPA is aiming to reduce the admin burden - or even spread it across so that some of it is borne by the individual - then surely the concept Mike J suggests above is the way ahead....
A Flat Rate across the board of £XX per day. Its what civvy companies do, but it does involve one revolutionary concet - Trust.
I don't buy the accounting for every penny of public money line. Just tell the boys (and girls) what they are allowed to spend on and let them decide whether they play within the rules or not.
The savings in admin would be huge; in essence a time sheet and actuals for Hotac. You could also preload peoples credit cards with funds (advanceable at hotel reception) to deal with the longer term det....
Its not as if we're the only company in the world trying to do this sort of thing...
A Flat Rate across the board of £XX per day. Its what civvy companies do, but it does involve one revolutionary concet - Trust.
I don't buy the accounting for every penny of public money line. Just tell the boys (and girls) what they are allowed to spend on and let them decide whether they play within the rules or not.
The savings in admin would be huge; in essence a time sheet and actuals for Hotac. You could also preload peoples credit cards with funds (advanceable at hotel reception) to deal with the longer term det....
Its not as if we're the only company in the world trying to do this sort of thing...
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was my understanding it was moving, but I believe, once in a blue moon, that as regards no of days leave we get given, we are all going to benefit. Or have I been lied to again?
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Apart from because 'somebody with the right rank said so' I don't understand why we eternally complicate our procedures with nobody apparently correlating the slight savings today versus the long-term loss of hearts and minds. Apparently minor things like this all add up to final straws, requiring markedly more long term expenditure to replace people who have had enough of this nonsense.
So much more could be achieved in terms of savings by issuing a flat rate no matter where in the world you are. As a long term investment people working extremely hard wouldn't think they were being screwed over again by the organisation they're representing.
It wouldn't be so bad if this change fell into line with other organisations like the Civil Service, MPs etc. Of course MPs make their own rules and certainly don't want to be pestered by actuals - think I read the other day a MP gets a flat rate for every night away from 'home' (doesn't matter if this is at the London 'residence' though - that's a second home hardship they have to suffer). Civil Servants benefit from a union and don't take kindly to nonsense.
Our 'representatives' didn't get where they are by disagreeing now did they?
So much more could be achieved in terms of savings by issuing a flat rate no matter where in the world you are. As a long term investment people working extremely hard wouldn't think they were being screwed over again by the organisation they're representing.
It wouldn't be so bad if this change fell into line with other organisations like the Civil Service, MPs etc. Of course MPs make their own rules and certainly don't want to be pestered by actuals - think I read the other day a MP gets a flat rate for every night away from 'home' (doesn't matter if this is at the London 'residence' though - that's a second home hardship they have to suffer). Civil Servants benefit from a union and don't take kindly to nonsense.
Our 'representatives' didn't get where they are by disagreeing now did they?
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Make the system simpler - a flat daily rate for each specific "theatre"
Obviously, you can't draw parallels between airlines doing repetitive routes day in, day out and people stuck in the sandpit for months at a time, but there must be some merit in looking at a similar system?