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Originally Posted by SwitchMonkey
What we need is one of our "retired" Nimrods to be refitted as a passenger aircraft, now what could we call it?
..... you may well say that SwitchMonkey, I couldn't possibly Comet ...
sorry, I'll get me coat!
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Originally Posted by pba_target
Nono, the chap for the MOD PR farce office says that the chaps have too much kit to fit on a regular airliner....! Uhuh... pull the other one matey!
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I thought the trucky fleet was controlled by the Army in MOD. They are the ones who decide the allocation of ac to task and if they say sandy area to Brize only that's it.
Am I wrong?
Am I wrong?
Hinecap,
Fair play, suppose it's less of a player long haul as your luggage allowance is bigger than with easy or ryanair.
Anyone know what the baggage allowance to the sandpit is these days?
Fair play, suppose it's less of a player long haul as your luggage allowance is bigger than with easy or ryanair.
Anyone know what the baggage allowance to the sandpit is these days?
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Remember folks,whenever you curse some jobsworth for screwing your plans up, it is generally some poor RAF bloke some where doing what he has to do. Give it a year or so and the posters will have moved you all round and you can do your job according to the rules and screw up the plans of the bloke who shafted you as revenge. It's the RAF and it's what makes the world go round.
More seriously though folks (must be getting soft!!) if we all did our work with our blue suited comrades in mind, we might make the wheels turn a little easier for someone, and maybe that bod, might in return do something for someone else and so on. Before we know it, we are all being nice to each other, everyone is happy and nobody wants to PVR anymore.
Now for the next fairy story. Once apon a time there was a beautiful princess............
More seriously though folks (must be getting soft!!) if we all did our work with our blue suited comrades in mind, we might make the wheels turn a little easier for someone, and maybe that bod, might in return do something for someone else and so on. Before we know it, we are all being nice to each other, everyone is happy and nobody wants to PVR anymore.
Now for the next fairy story. Once apon a time there was a beautiful princess............
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Originally Posted by Mr C Hinecap
pba - it is true - I've moved equipped troops by civ air and it is a very expensive option. It is more to do with the cost of extra luggage as civ air doesn't like flying fuel around as much as we do, so charges lots over the standard allowance.
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Fair enough, but I'd appreciate a few words on how the tasking system works these days. In times past, I had tried to get truckie or SH for Cdt Trg at Cranwell, to be told to contact a particular office in MOD, who gave me very short shrift - and they were Army bods.
So either someone was telling v. big porkies or the system has changed...
Fair enough, but I'd appreciate a few words on how the tasking system works these days. In times past, I had tried to get truckie or SH for Cdt Trg at Cranwell, to be told to contact a particular office in MOD, who gave me very short shrift - and they were Army bods.
So either someone was telling v. big porkies or the system has changed...
FJJP
The allocation of the assets is done at MOD level within a joint manned office (and some ROs). The detailed planning is done at Andoversford, again joint office but a fair representation of light blue) and the Transops are issued by a small office at a secret airbase not far from Carterton. The final office is entirely light blue current/RO. The problem you seemed to have had at IOT is getting the asset at all. The problems that other readers have had is that of where the assets go to. Your issue was definitely at MOD level. The others at Andoversford level. It is also true that the potential airfields that we might use are their own worst enemies. Without wishing to bore everyone here are a couple of issues.
VC10s carrying pax need Crash Cat 5A-only BZN( AND FFD AT THE MOMENT) have such cover-enhancement costs so who pays?
Leuchars for example will open outside normal ops ( and up Crash Cat) for their own people but not Army moves so we use Edinburgh-a lot more cost but not Leuchars' !
On a recent recovery from the States we were happy to drop our pax at Waddington but one of the problems was that it would not open.
Where possible the system does try to deliver formed units to their nearest airfield but this is on special routes not regular runs.
The allocation of the assets is done at MOD level within a joint manned office (and some ROs). The detailed planning is done at Andoversford, again joint office but a fair representation of light blue) and the Transops are issued by a small office at a secret airbase not far from Carterton. The final office is entirely light blue current/RO. The problem you seemed to have had at IOT is getting the asset at all. The problems that other readers have had is that of where the assets go to. Your issue was definitely at MOD level. The others at Andoversford level. It is also true that the potential airfields that we might use are their own worst enemies. Without wishing to bore everyone here are a couple of issues.
VC10s carrying pax need Crash Cat 5A-only BZN( AND FFD AT THE MOMENT) have such cover-enhancement costs so who pays?
Leuchars for example will open outside normal ops ( and up Crash Cat) for their own people but not Army moves so we use Edinburgh-a lot more cost but not Leuchars' !
On a recent recovery from the States we were happy to drop our pax at Waddington but one of the problems was that it would not open.
Where possible the system does try to deliver formed units to their nearest airfield but this is on special routes not regular runs.
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matkat - why do you think that would solve things? The RAF is still stung by the fuel price fluctuations - a major part of overspend last yr was to cover such variations. A couple of pence on a litre, multiplied over what we use across the RAF is several million extra.
Other Q - fully laden troop for deployment is something in the region of 50kg baggage as a planning weight. If you move a man, body armour, rifle, kit etc it starts to rack up far more than the civvy long haul allowances.
Other Q - fully laden troop for deployment is something in the region of 50kg baggage as a planning weight. If you move a man, body armour, rifle, kit etc it starts to rack up far more than the civvy long haul allowances.
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Originally Posted by Mr C Hinecap
matkat - why do you think that would solve things? The RAF is still stung by the fuel price fluctuations - a major part of overspend last yr was to cover such variations. A couple of pence on a litre, multiplied over what we use across the RAF is several million extra.
Other Q - fully laden troop for deployment is something in the region of 50kg baggage as a planning weight. If you move a man, body armour, rifle, kit etc it starts to rack up far more than the civvy long haul allowances.
Other Q - fully laden troop for deployment is something in the region of 50kg baggage as a planning weight. If you move a man, body armour, rifle, kit etc it starts to rack up far more than the civvy long haul allowances.
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Vasco, thanks for the explanation. Clearly the bean counters have much to answer for. Perhaps we should include bean counters in more long dets and see how they like it. [Before detached bean counters jump down my throat, I'm aware that there are some of you out there - just not many and not often enough...]
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