Why do we pay tax when out of area????
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Why do we pay tax when out of area????
Surely in this day and age when we are so often out of the country in lovely parts of the world, we should not be taxed? Anyone agree? 
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You could try asking Dubya to suggest it to Teflon Tone.
The U.S. military don't pay income tax for the whole calender month if they only go somewhere dodgy once. The U.S. aircrew on Nato E-3A's benefited from this during the unpleasentness in (former) Yugoslavia through the 1990's. One survellance mission over the Adriatic per month and they saved megabucks.
The U.S. military don't pay income tax for the whole calender month if they only go somewhere dodgy once. The U.S. aircrew on Nato E-3A's benefited from this during the unpleasentness in (former) Yugoslavia through the 1990's. One survellance mission over the Adriatic per month and they saved megabucks.
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CBA - I'll take that one as a compliment but unfortuantely I don't write for a newspaper. For my sins, I'm unfortunately serving and just wanted some other points of view on this topic.
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So that Gordon Brown can let BP off a £1.3Bn tax bill for Meths. He needs to keep BP sweet for HMGs revenue etc. Lets sting the poor defenceless MoD workers instead. Much easier pickings!!
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You will pay tax unless you are deemed not resident and not ordinarily resident in UK..... there's no escape.
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You earn the Queens Shilling and should pay taxes on that pay. You should not expect to earn tax free income when operating overseas.
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I seem to remember a certain expat who flew for EZY fighting the gov for tax relief on sector pay, given that the larger amount of time was ex uk. Won, and got rebate for the chaps. There is bound to be more to it than I can remember, but it was a win.
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I don't think military personnel should pay tax at all, unless one has no sense of humour or is incapable of not toeing the company line.
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HMG have the Forces stitched on this one.
The definition of a non resident is someone who spends in excess of 6 months out of the country, all in one continous stint, in the tax year.
Thus a civvy working on an overseas op alongside you, provided the 6 month thing is adhered to, is not liable for tax.
Simple case of double standards.
Interestingly and unsurprisingly, if you are UK armed forces overseas, you still have to pay council tax (albeit at a very low rate). Even though there's no F**kin council. The money goes to Westminster council, go figure.
The definition of a non resident is someone who spends in excess of 6 months out of the country, all in one continous stint, in the tax year.
Thus a civvy working on an overseas op alongside you, provided the 6 month thing is adhered to, is not liable for tax.
Simple case of double standards.
Interestingly and unsurprisingly, if you are UK armed forces overseas, you still have to pay council tax (albeit at a very low rate). Even though there's no F**kin council. The money goes to Westminster council, go figure.
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Unfortunately, wherever you go, even as a civvy, you are liable to pay tax somewhere. If you are not resident in one country, you are in another.
Note that some US folks working abroad may be liable for double taxation; i.e. taxed both home and abroad. I used to work with one such person. His way out of it was to skip off home at the end of his contract without paying his overseas tax bill
Last thing I heard, they were still after him and his departure made things more difficult with the revenue department for the rest of us on similar contracts for the same employer.
Don't forget the "not ordinarily resident" part.
Note that some US folks working abroad may be liable for double taxation; i.e. taxed both home and abroad. I used to work with one such person. His way out of it was to skip off home at the end of his contract without paying his overseas tax bill
Last thing I heard, they were still after him and his departure made things more difficult with the revenue department for the rest of us on similar contracts for the same employer.
Don't forget the "not ordinarily resident" part.
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Not strictly true Shy Torque..
The Strawberries on the RFAs are paid tax free if out of UK waters for long enough - which makes a mockery when working alongside our lot. They have even been known to sai for 2 or 3 days in the past to get the correct number of days in.
The Strawberries on the RFAs are paid tax free if out of UK waters for long enough - which makes a mockery when working alongside our lot. They have even been known to sai for 2 or 3 days in the past to get the correct number of days in.
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Same goes for the Civvy Heli mates (Brit. Int.) in the FI's. They aren't paying anything back to her Majesty.
Most other forces I've come in contact with whilst abroad are not taxed. And their jaws hit the floor when told that their Colonial Masters are.
Exactly what benefit do we see from the taxes we pay when on Ops? And American BX's don't count!
Most other forces I've come in contact with whilst abroad are not taxed. And their jaws hit the floor when told that their Colonial Masters are.
Exactly what benefit do we see from the taxes we pay when on Ops? And American BX's don't count!
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Exactly what benefit do we see from the taxes we pay when on Ops
But apart from that what have Taxes every done for us?
Well, most of it goes on Education. That means that we can send a kid to school who will grow up and want to join the military and fly with you.
Taxes are spent on transport so that the kids can get to school. If the little lad falls ill he will be able to get free health care. He lives in a society which is (relatively) safe and benefits from law and order. His taxes help pay for the environment as well as providing a little cultur to his life. But most importantly of all, Little Johnny can sleep safe and well in his bed at night knowing full well that he is being protected from aggression by a band of professional and competant brothers who will lay their lives on the line to ensure he remains free and safe. Thats what taxes do.
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Not to sound like a right wing capitalist (I am), but little johnny can go swivel. I'll gladly pay for his education (though, doubtless the little sh*t is truent, dim and on emphetamines) when I'm domicile in the kingdom. When I'm abroad though (for a considerable length of time, I'll submit) I don't think I should be paying into a system whereby I'm recieving nil return, ie., health, transport etc.
To put a different (less grown up spin on it) if everyone else (Canucks, Aussies, Spams, et al) aren't paying, why are we? What's their take on it? It's not fair! *I'll fetch my hanky*
Oh and if you think that the benefit is that we get paid then I put it to you that we are self employed. As such, I reckon next time we invade a country we do it on our terms. I, for one, will be invading Bermuda. You're all welcome to help.
To put a different (less grown up spin on it) if everyone else (Canucks, Aussies, Spams, et al) aren't paying, why are we? What's their take on it? It's not fair! *I'll fetch my hanky*
Oh and if you think that the benefit is that we get paid then I put it to you that we are self employed. As such, I reckon next time we invade a country we do it on our terms. I, for one, will be invading Bermuda. You're all welcome to help.
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So if taxes pay for the military does that make me self-employed?