General Sir Michael Rose calls for Tony Blair's Impeachment
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This morning on BBC Breakfast news (Sunday 08JAN06) Tim Walker (Mandrake column) claimed that a sunday newspaper was running a story regarding General Sir Michael Rose who was requesting the impeachment of Tony Blair for misleading the nation into war with Iraq. Did anybody see it this morning?
I have searched the net and the UK daily's web site to see if I can find the story without success. Strange
If this is true then this is a big story if one of Blair's generals calls for his impeachment. I believe the General is right as does a famous QC who was planning to do the same.
I have searched the net and the UK daily's web site to see if I can find the story without success. Strange
If this is true then this is a big story if one of Blair's generals calls for his impeachment. I believe the General is right as does a famous QC who was planning to do the same.
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http://news.google.co.uk gives several stories about this
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No such process under UK law as far as I remember. Maybe the legal fraternity can advise further. Cue Pr00ne...
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But, unless the punishment for impeachment is hanging, the slippery b***er would bounce back anyway - just like Mandy and Blunk.
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Somebody far cleverer than me once said that wars should be terrible lest we enjoy them too much - unfortunately that is only the case if you have to go to them.
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The real issue here is that Tony Blair did not declare "War" on anyone, he simply committed the UK armed forces to a certain act that was loosely based on UN mandates.
I think you would also have to include the Chiefs of Staff, the Defence Minister, the leader of the loyal opposition, the legal advisors to the PM, and Cabinet as well, if you were to try something like this.
"Impeachment" as such does not exist as such in the UK but you could certainly have a number of MPs put forward a Commons motion of impeachment, not that I think this would get anywhere, wasn't it tried last summer?
I think you would also have to include the Chiefs of Staff, the Defence Minister, the leader of the loyal opposition, the legal advisors to the PM, and Cabinet as well, if you were to try something like this.
"Impeachment" as such does not exist as such in the UK but you could certainly have a number of MPs put forward a Commons motion of impeachment, not that I think this would get anywhere, wasn't it tried last summer?
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I am fairly certain "Impeachment" is a US term, not one used or written in any statute in the UK....................
So surely unlikely, But will stand corrected.
Merry
So surely unlikely, But will stand corrected.
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Re: General Sir Michael Rose calls for Tony Blair's Impeachment
Warren Hastings, the Governor of India (in pre-Mutiny/pre-Viceroy days) was impeached even before the United States had a President to impeach...
An individual can be impeached by Parliament for 'High crimes and misdemeanours', with the Commons calling for impeachment and the trial taking place before the Lords. However, the parliamentary website says:
- although I confess that I can't quite see the logic behind this: being accountable to parliament via being questionned isn't the same thing as being up before their Lordships for high crimes and misdemeanours...
An individual can be impeached by Parliament for 'High crimes and misdemeanours', with the Commons calling for impeachment and the trial taking place before the Lords. However, the parliamentary website says:
However since 1805 parliamentary procedure has changed. The Cabinet is responsible for the actions of Ministers and Ministers are accountable to Parliament. Their work is scrutinised and they are questioned regularly by Parliament. There is therefore no need for impeachment.
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Hello All,
Just to add my two rupees worth, it's big news here in India and is on the cover of the Times of India this morning. As is Straw's declaration that we have almost won... and you lot will be home in a matter of months.
Phew...that's a relief, having PVR'd in 1999 and been out of the loop since, I thought you chaps had been having a hard time of it over there. Anyway, glad that my taxes are being put to good use.
Cheers,
MoT
( In between jobs and so backpacking from Delhi to Amritsar this month, start working at a low cost airline near you in Feb !)
Just to add my two rupees worth, it's big news here in India and is on the cover of the Times of India this morning. As is Straw's declaration that we have almost won... and you lot will be home in a matter of months.
Phew...that's a relief, having PVR'd in 1999 and been out of the loop since, I thought you chaps had been having a hard time of it over there. Anyway, glad that my taxes are being put to good use.
Cheers,
MoT
( In between jobs and so backpacking from Delhi to Amritsar this month, start working at a low cost airline near you in Feb !)
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History is not my strong point but I am sure that a British politician called Warren Hastings was 'impeached' something to do with alleged misconduct (of an administrative kind!) in India SFAIK.
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I missed the General this morning. I would have been very interested to hear what he had to say. Maybe I can get a transcript from somewhere or better still maybe someone can post it on this thread.
In my opinion this story is massive a with enormous implications for the nation and the armed forces. We were all duped into war with Iraq and for that the PM is accountable to the nation and its laws.
None of it was right from the very begining with Colin Powell and bogus phone taps played to the UN, plagiarised thesises by MI5, and the 45 minute WMD claim by Straw and Blair to the H of C and the effective rubbishing of Hans Blix's observations.
The general's comments may also have had some influence on Blair's TV appearance yesterday where he name checked his successor twice. Is he about to do a runner?
The plot sickens.
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I missed the General this morning. I would have been very interested to hear what he had to say. Maybe I can get a transcript from somewhere or better still maybe someone can post it on this thread.
In my opinion this story is massive a with enormous implications for the nation and the armed forces. We were all duped into war with Iraq and for that the PM is accountable to the nation and its laws.
None of it was right from the very begining with Colin Powell and bogus phone taps played to the UN, plagiarised thesises by MI5, and the 45 minute WMD claim by Straw and Blair to the H of C and the effective rubbishing of Hans Blix's observations.
The general's comments may also have had some influence on Blair's TV appearance yesterday where he name checked his successor twice. Is he about to do a runner?
The plot sickens.
EM
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Epsilon minus says "In my opinion this story is massive a with enormous implications for the nation and the armed forces."
And yet it doesn't seem to be picked up by the TV news on any of the channels I have seen. Presumably this is because they don't have any pictures to show us.
And yet it doesn't seem to be picked up by the TV news on any of the channels I have seen. Presumably this is because they don't have any pictures to show us.
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www.bbc.co.uk/news
Quote "General Sir Michael said he would not have led troops into a war he believed was wrong." Unquote
Has this ever ever been heard of before. I am staggered. Read on.
Mail on Sunday
09/01/06 - News section
Call to impeach Blair over Iraq war
Tony Blair should be impeached over the Iraq war, a former senior soldier said.
General Sir Michael Rose, former UN commander in Bosnia, said the Prime Minister had to be held to account.
"Certainly from a soldier's perspective there can't be any more serious decision taken by a prime minister than declaring war," he said.
"And then to go to war on what turns out to be false grounds is something that no one should be allowed to walk away from."
General Sir Michael told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that Mr Blair's actions were "somewhere in between" getting the politics wrong and actually acting illegally.
"The politics was wrong, that he rarely declared what his ultimate aims were, as far as we can see, in terms of harping continually on weapons of mass destruction when actually he probably had some other strategy in mind.
"And secondly, the consequences of that war have been quite disastrous both for the people of Iraq and also for the west in terms of our wider interests in the war against global terror."
The general accepted Parliament had endorsed the war, but he said that was because the Prime Minister had stressed the weapons of mass destruction argument.
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Quote "General Sir Michael said he would not have led troops into a war he believed was wrong." Unquote
Has this ever ever been heard of before. I am staggered. Read on.
Mail on Sunday
09/01/06 - News section
Call to impeach Blair over Iraq war
Tony Blair should be impeached over the Iraq war, a former senior soldier said.
General Sir Michael Rose, former UN commander in Bosnia, said the Prime Minister had to be held to account.
"Certainly from a soldier's perspective there can't be any more serious decision taken by a prime minister than declaring war," he said.
"And then to go to war on what turns out to be false grounds is something that no one should be allowed to walk away from."
General Sir Michael told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that Mr Blair's actions were "somewhere in between" getting the politics wrong and actually acting illegally.
"The politics was wrong, that he rarely declared what his ultimate aims were, as far as we can see, in terms of harping continually on weapons of mass destruction when actually he probably had some other strategy in mind.
"And secondly, the consequences of that war have been quite disastrous both for the people of Iraq and also for the west in terms of our wider interests in the war against global terror."
The general accepted Parliament had endorsed the war, but he said that was because the Prime Minister had stressed the weapons of mass destruction argument.
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Find this story at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770
©2006 Associated New Media
BBC R4 Today program 09/01/06
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi?redirect=fs.stm&news=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nbram=1&nbwm=1&nol_ storyid=4594774
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I heard the piece in "Today" and have listened during the day for any follow-up. Nix! I think this is due, less to the lack of pictures, but to the diminished stature of the armed services and their chiefs in the esteem of the great unwashed and the media. In fact no one gives a XXXX for the views of some retired old fart of a general. Now, if he had been a private soldier (or an NCO or junior officer) and complained of the inadequacy of his weapons and equipment, he would have caused a bit of a stir. It might have been more effective if CDS (or even CDI) had resigned when the "dodgy dossier" was published.
I heard the piece in "Today" and have listened during the day for any follow-up. Nix! I think this is due, less to the lack of pictures, but to the diminished stature of the armed services and their chiefs in the esteem of the great unwashed and the media. In fact no one gives a XXXX for the views of some retired old fart of a general. Now, if he had been a private soldier (or an NCO or junior officer) and complained of the inadequacy of his weapons and equipment, he would have caused a bit of a stir. It might have been more effective if CDS (or even CDI) had resigned when the "dodgy dossier" was published.
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Oh come on Flatus, that's just plain cynical and you knowit. This is huge, hotter than hell.
This is a political paradox. It's really bad for Blair and really good for democracy. This must spell the end for 'Teflon Tone'
This is a political paradox. It's really bad for Blair and really good for democracy. This must spell the end for 'Teflon Tone'
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You are kidding, aren't you? Teflon Tone relies on the fact that by Thursday, if you were to ask the dumbed-down 'man in the street' (including many in the Armed Forces) who Michael Rose is: The reply would probably be 'Is he in celebrity big brother?'
You are kidding, aren't you? Teflon Tone relies on the fact that by Thursday, if you were to ask the dumbed-down 'man in the street' (including many in the Armed Forces) who Michael Rose is: The reply would probably be 'Is he in celebrity big brother?'
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